1) You have not provided a SINGLE *DIET* study on the Ornish diet.
2) You claim the "low fat diet" part of the lifestyle change study was the key to it's success,
but have failed to support this claim.
3) Eskimo heart disease rates on high fat diets are well known.
They directly contradict your OPINION that its the "low fat"
part of the lifestyle change study that is having an effect.
apparently, you are incapable of doing a simple net search
to verify this.
4) You posted the "The Fleming Heart and Health Institute" as
objective quantitative proof, but it wasn't even a study about
the Ornish diet.
5) The fleming study explicitly states:
Despite increasing numbers of individuals following high-protein diets, little or no information is currently available regarding the effect of these diets on coronary artery disease and coronary blood flow.
6) You quoted something someone ELSE said and incorrectly
pinned it on me.
7) You were unaware that Dr Ornish AGREED with some aspects
of the low carb diets, and claimed otherwise
8) You incorrectly claimed that Dr Ornish's research is the ONLY
definitive proof out there at this.
Your position is extremely weak.
You haven't provided ANYTHING to date that backs up
your claim that the Ornish diet is *THE* diet, and in fact
I have provided COUNTER evidence against this claim
with your so called "eskimo stories".
Calling them "eskimo stories" may make you feel better
about your delusion of reality, but the fact is, there are
cultures on very high FAT diets with very low rates of heart disease.
Scientists link this to the Omega-3 fatty acids, but it clearly
shows that you can have a healthy heart on a high fat diet.
2 of the original reports:
*Bang, HO et al, Plasma lipids and lipoproteins in Greenlandic West Coast Eskimos, Acad Med Scand, 192:85-94, 1972.
*Bang, HO et al, The composition of food consumed by Greenland Eskimos, Acad Med Scand, 200:69, 1976.
Some interesting reading, links....
http://www.fatsforhealth.com/library/libitems/fats_for_heart.php
http://www.gnldandmore.com/main/sbgnld/research/target/heart/index.php
The Eskimo paradox is well known and I think
almost everyone has heard of the French Paradox as well.
High fat, cooking with lard, and lower incidence of heart attacks
than americans.
All contrary to your "low fat diet".
peace
axeman
Quote from LongShot:
Oh My God ...
I give you objective quantitative proof in peer reviewed published research and you give me an Eskimo story?
You beat me! I give up! Your proof is too compelling!! LMAO!!!
ps I have sent an email off to Dean Ornish, MD and Dr Fleming of the Fleming Heart Institute with your evidence. They need this info right away! Hope you don't mind.
