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Trading the Pivots
- Thread starter JimmyJam
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Quote from JimmyJam:
Preparing to re-short after test of pivot failed.
Hi JJ,
I understand your thinking, but where does this come into play?
"This will give the thread viewer an easy process by which to monitor trades for the system, which are as follows:
1) Pivot Trend Direction
2) Setup using the 18 and 40 SMA's
3) Confirmation by the CCI 50 Histogram"
Thanks
These setups come into play as we monitor the markets on a daily basis, week-by-week, over and over again.Quote from DonKee:
Hi JJ,
I understand your thinking, but where does this come into play?
"This will give the thread viewer an easy process by which to monitor trades for the system, which are as follows:
The Current Pivot Trend is Bearish1) Pivot Trend Direction
The setups I am using are Bearish Reversal Short and Continuation Shorts. If the market had moved higher at the open it would have given a great shorting opportunity. But it didn't, so I had a moderate/poor shorting opportunity, and looking for the market to fall back down after attempting to breach the Median Pivot (if the trade sets up in a timely fashion).2) Setup using the 18 and 40 SMA's
The CCI 50 Histogram confirms a short by going below the Zero Line (Red). The CCI 50 Histogram confirms a long by going above the Zero Line (Green).3) Confirmation by the CCI 50 Histogram"
Best Regards,
JJ
Quote from JimmyJam:
The Current Pivot Trend is Bearish
The setups I am using are Bearish Reversal Short and Continuation Shorts. If the market had moved higher at the open it would have given a great shorting opportunity. But it didn't, so I had a moderate/poor shorting opportunity, and looking for the market to fall back down after attempting to breach the Median Pivot (if the trade sets up in a timely fashion).
The CCI 50 Histogram confirms a short by going below the Zero Line (Red). The CCI 50 Histogram confirms a long by going above the Zero Line (Green).
Best Regards,
JJ
Got it thanks...
I misunderstood and thought you were just going to short on a PP failure.
Quote from JimmyJam:
Preparing to re-short after test of pivot failed.
While price did enter the Strike Zone, CCI 50 Histogram did not confirm the trade.
So no Short position was initiated.
Let me know if you have any questions and I'll try to get back to them tonite.
Best Regards,
JJ
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JJ,
One thing I've noticed about your charts....
The first bar is always drawn from the close of the day before.
It's weird because it puts your indicators in a different position than mine ie: the opening, hi, low is different for that first bar.
Is there a way for you to have that first bar show the opening at 9:30am?
Just curious.
Thanks
One thing I've noticed about your charts....
The first bar is always drawn from the close of the day before.
It's weird because it puts your indicators in a different position than mine ie: the opening, hi, low is different for that first bar.
Is there a way for you to have that first bar show the opening at 9:30am?
Just curious.
Thanks
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Quote from DonKee:
JJ,
One thing I've noticed about your charts....
The first bar is always drawn from the close of the day before.
It's weird because it puts your indicators in a different position than mine ie: the opening, hi, low is different for that first bar.
Is there a way for you to have that first bar show the opening at 9:30am?
Just curious.
Thanks
noticed that too, wasnt gonna say anything though cause im sure jj is basically an honest guy. hey jj can you use these pivots for pickin football games?
Quote from DonKee:
JJ,
One thing I've noticed about your charts....
The first bar is always drawn from the close of the day before.
Hi Don,
I use Medved Quotetracker (not a plug, just stating facts), and I've set the chart so that it turns off the overnight trading hours when the new session starts (CME ES, 9:30am - 4:15pm)
It's weird because it puts your indicators in a different position than mine ie: the opening, hi, low is different for that first bar.
I took a good look at your chart, and our charts are different because we are using different indicators and/or differnt settings on the same indicators.
1. I use the 18 and 40 SMA set to measure the (High/Low), I think you're using them set to the (Close). Using the (High/Low) gives a better measurement of the median (average) price, and does not give undue precedence to Higher Highs for an uptrend or Lower Lows for a downtrend.
2. I also use the 50 CCI Histogram. I believe you are using the 50 CCI. They are not the same thing. A histogram measures the activity of an indicator in relation to its previous activity, the actual indicator measures the activity of the security itself. Using a histogram acts as a smoothing process, and when set to the value 50, I find it gives an extremely reliable measurement of the Current Trend, so I'll continue using it for demonstration of the setups.
Is there a way for you to have that first bar show the opening at 9:30am?
As I've stated before, outside of having the software Show Market Hours at the Open, there's nothing I can do about it.
Here's what my chart will show at the Open.
Best Regards,
P.S. One bar, or even using the Globex hours (love those Bond guys) does not make the diffrence in the fundamental concept of the setups. I think the issues are as previously stated in the body of the Comment
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For Friday, 8/25/06.
Market Status
Pivot Trend: Bearish
1st Resistance: 1300
Median Pivot: 1297
1st Support: 1293
Current Trend: Up
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OK, We've seen this dance before, right?
Looking for 1300 to not provide meaningful resistance, but S2 at 1304 might. Since the Pivot Trend is still Bearish, I will most likely be looking for a Reversal Sell setup at that point.
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Best Regards,
JJ
P.S. FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS A COPY OF THE BASIC EXCEL MODEL AND WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE DOWNLOAD THEM FROM PAGE 22 OF THE THREAD.
Market Status
Pivot Trend: Bearish
1st Resistance: 1300
Median Pivot: 1297
1st Support: 1293
Current Trend: Up
***
OK, We've seen this dance before, right?
Looking for 1300 to not provide meaningful resistance, but S2 at 1304 might. Since the Pivot Trend is still Bearish, I will most likely be looking for a Reversal Sell setup at that point.
***
Best Regards,
JJ
P.S. FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS A COPY OF THE BASIC EXCEL MODEL AND WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS, PLEASE DOWNLOAD THEM FROM PAGE 22 OF THE THREAD.
Quote from DonKee:
If you must trade, but aren't sure of the direction:
Short 1 nq and buy 1 es for a spread or short 1 ym and buy 1 es
Note: CAT is in the $indu
This seems rather silly advice. If you feel you must trade you probably are a beginner or not a very good trader.
If you aren't sure you simply should not trade. Only trade when you have an edge.
Cheers.