Trading the Cup & Handle Pattern

[almx]

Very interesting dynamics here.

Someone new, couldn't make cup and handle work, looking for help, yet instead of been thankful, rejected outright and very critical when some kind soul offered his opinion to help?

You should read his messages twice, It didn't offer any help, he was selling his science, nothing else, I tried to tell him diligently that I was not trading Elliot but C&H but still insisted that I was blind, etc, etc, etc.

So now, for those that still don't get it, this is a JOURNAL, it's in the JOURNALS section where I just record my trading publicly, nothing else, so why bother or offer anything when I'm asking for nothing ? Why trying to convince me of anything else when I just want to try my thing being it wrong or right ? You like it and you could grab something interesting for you ? Then fine, you don't like it ? then continue your way, I ask for nothing, these are the only dynamics here.

 

[ironchef]

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On what planet is that a C&H? It invalidates as soon as it retraces more than 50% according to the rules...not to mention its more of a V not enough rounding. Also, what you've done with the drawn in c&h is chart the handle of a prior, larger cup and handle.

The C&H you should be looking at is the one below, and going by the target rule of the depth of the cup added to the break out we are about at that target...which further invalidates the one you are looking at...although it can pullback giving the impression of a handle forming.

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If you really want to know what's going on you have to zoom out.

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However, keep in mind that the 5 wave can extend 1.6 fib from the beginning of the 1 wave, which is very extended, to the end of the 3 wave...so personally I would use those levels over the rough C&H levels because C&H's technically don't even exist...they are just part of the EW structure.

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I don't want to throw rocks at you because you are trying to help OP.

It seems to me history always looks crystal clear after?

 

[ironchef]

You should read his messages twice, It didn't offer any help, he was selling his science, nothing else, I tried to tell him diligently that I was not trading Elliot but C&H but still insisted that I was blind, etc, etc, etc.

So now, for those that still don't get it, this is a JOURNAL, it's in the JOURNALS section where I just record my trading publicly, nothing else, so why bother or offer anything when I'm asking for nothing ? Why trying to convince me of anything else when I just want to try my thing being it wrong or right ? You like it and you could grab something interesting for you ? Then fine, you don't like it ? then continue your way, I ask for nothing, these are the only dynamics here.

To be a good trader, you really need an open mind. How do you know his "science" won't help you? How do you know Elliot and C&H cannot co-exist? And he is not selling you anything, perhaps he is preaching/coaching?

Yes, it is a journal but we are simply trying to lend you a hand. If you don't want any help, you can simply stated that in your OP and most of us will honor it and simply get on board and enjoy the ride. Those pests? You put them on ignore.

Best to you.

 

[wxytrader]

I don't want to throw rocks at you because you are trying to help OP.

It seems to me history always looks crystal clear after?

What??? Have I ever posted a chart that isn't projecting forward price? As far as I know you still can't trade in the past right? The charts below that aren't projecting a future price were just to demonstrate to the op that his C&Hs weren't technically sound...and that they are only part of EW structure. How can you trade them if you don't understand that structure?

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On what planet is that a C&H? It invalidates as soon as it retraces more than 50% according to the rules...not to mention its more of a V not enough rounding. Also, what you've done with the drawn in c&h is chart the handle of a prior, larger cup and handle.

The C&H you should be looking at is the one below, and going by the target rule of the depth of the cup added to the break out we are about at that target...which further invalidates the one you are looking at...although it can pullback giving the impression of a handle forming.

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If you really want to know what's going on you have to zoom out.

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However, keep in mind that the 5 wave can extend 1.6 fib from the beginning of the 1 wave, which is very extended, to the end of the 3 wave...so personally I would use those levels over the rough C&H levels because C&H's technically don't even exist...they are just part of the EW structure.

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[padutrader]

cup and handle being formed... only handle is very small

second yellow line is the ultimate target... intermediate target is 5655..

 

[wxytrader]

cup and handle being formed... only handle is very small

second yellow line is the ultimate target... intermediate target is 5655..View attachment 347500

You guys are clueless as I just explained cup and handles technically don't even exist. They are just a part of the Elliott wave structure. So if you don't understand the EW structure you won't understand cup and handles.

I posted charts with examples

 

[padutrader]

you really need an open mind.

yep not an open ass

You guys are clueless as I just explained cup and handles technically don't even exist

they are in front of you...you are in denial

 

[wxytrader]

yep not an open ass

they are in front of you...you are in denial

P look at my post and it shows you that a cup and handle is just part of the Elliott wave structure. So technically trying to trade a cup and handle by itself doesn't make any sense if you don't understand the structure which is why you guys have no idea when they fail and when they don't.

 

[padutrader]

P look at my post and it shows you that a cup and handle is just part of the Elliott wave structure. So technically trying to trade a cup and handle by itself doesn't make any sense if you don't understand the structure which is why you guys have no idea when they fail and when they don't.

oh i dont trade them at all

 

[almx]

cup and handle being formed... only handle is very small

second yellow line is the ultimate target... intermediate target is 5655..View attachment 347500

For me that one is not valid but it doesn't mean that it's not valid in absolute.

You will find that kind in the literature and examples on internet, kind of reversal as you have a down trend prior to it. I just don't trade those, in short, my setups are continuation structures, this means that I trade LONG a C&H, only if there was a previous up trend of minimum 25% from a previous base and I talk of course in the context of Stocks, I don't know if that can apply to ES trading... also, again in my context, the handle should last 5 bars (it's a minimum) but I have also seen some with less than that working well, so nothing is engraved in stone...