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Quote from RedDuke:

100% or 200% a year is absolutely possible with little draw down, if one day trades and the account is in 100k-500k range. Once size is increased the liquidity becomes an issue.

100k into 200k is not too hard for someone who knows what they are doing.

1bln to 2bln is extremely hard for anyone.

So when talking about % per year, always add funds under management, otherwise it is meaningless.
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I'm not sure I buy that. I suspect there's selection bias in these anecdotes we here.

For the lucky few turning 100k into 200k... if they are lucky 3 years in a row, they're at $800k... and now they're likely to blame scalability when "luck" turns.
 
Quote from heech:

I'm not sure I buy that. I suspect there's selection bias in these anecdotes we here.

For the lucky few turning 100k into 200k... if they are lucky 3 years in a row, they're at $800k... and now they're likely to blame scalability when "luck" turns.
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Luck has nothing to do with it. It can be done year after year, but without automation 100% stops at around 500k-1mil, since this is where major futures markets liquidity start becoming an issue. Instantly executing few hundred ES contract a clip with no slippage is bit harder than 10-20.

Apart from HFT, I do not know anyone who successfully implemented fully automated trading.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

100% or 200% a year is absolutely possible with little draw down, if one day trades and the account is in 100k-500k range. Once size is increased the liquidity becomes an issue.

100k into 200k is not too hard for someone who knows what they are doing.

1bln to 2bln is extremely hard for anyone.

So when talking about % per year, always add funds under management, otherwise it is meaningless.
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I agree there is a difficulty somehow to double your account per year if you have such bln size but still wondering how big guys could double tens of blns?

In other words, is the size would be an issue for scalability and profitability for the big guys also? And how do they cope with their big size trades?
 
Quote from heech:

I'm not sure I buy that. I suspect there's selection bias in these anecdotes we here.

For the lucky few turning 100k into 200k... if they are lucky 3 years in a row, they're at $800k... and now they're likely to blame scalability when "luck" turns.
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You mean ' when edge fades":)
 
Quote from mcgene4xpro:

I agree there is a difficulty somehow to double your account per year if you have such bln size but still wondering how big guys could double tens of blns?

In other words, is the size would be an issue for scalability and profitability for the big guys also? And how do they cope with their big size trades?
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As far as I know no hedge funds even close to doubling 10s of billions. I believe Simmons best year was 2000, where me made something around 97%. The best have around 30% a year on average acroos decades, which is amazing in all respects.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

As far as I know no hedge funds even close to doubling 10s of billions. I believe Simmons best year was 2000, where me made something around 97%. The best have around 30% a year on average acroos decades, which is amazing in all respects.
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Simons often hits 40%+ after fees... considering his fee structure (5/44), that means he's basically doubling on a gross basis.

It's just ridiculous, is what it is. If Jim Simons posted on ET, we'd laugh him out of town.
 
is this one of those thread by a losing trader desperately trying to raise more money.....so that he can lose it again? I haven't read the thread yet..........not sure if I should waste time...
 
Quote from forsalenyc:

is this one of those thread by a losing trader desperately trying to raise more money.....so that he can lose it again? I haven't read the thread yet..........not sure if I should waste time...
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You've summarized it pretty well.

In this case, the losing trader wouldn't really need the capital... except he doesn't want to wait a whole month just to save up his own starting capital (again).
 
Quote from jinxu:

I'm getting more money refunded than I had thought, enough to trade with....could this be a sign???
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Yeah, go for it jinxu. Your threads are always interesting to read because of your honesty. Although I read your posts with schadenfreude.
 
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