Trading Profits

How much did you earned from your best trading year?

  • $0.00 - Never made a dime

    Votes: 7 15.2%
  • $0-25,000

    Votes: 6 13.0%
  • $25,001 - $50,000

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • $50,001 - $100,000

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • $101,000 - $150,000

    Votes: 4 8.7%
  • $150,001 - $250,000

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • $251,000 - $400,000

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • $400,000 - Up

    Votes: 19 41.3%

  • Total voters
    46
...it is not a broker's bantha pudu (Believe you meant to say "bantha fodder"), it is a technique that at worst results in a small loss, at best can double or triple your profits by: a) protecting the main trade against losses b) keeping your account liquid giving firepower to add to the main trade at better levels.
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Yes, I meant to type "bantha pudu" (sic). Listen to the movie, not read the subtitles.


...2. The hedge will have a tight trailing STOP place on it, i.e. it gets closed when the price starts moving in favour of the main trade, sometimes at a profit, sometimes at a small loss...

And what if the hedge's stop got caught up in chop, and right at the stop, it continued back in the direction of the main trade a few tics, and then started going opposite again? Another hedge with a tight stop? That can continue on for quite a while and you are accumulating a bunch of losses on the hedge.

I think our differences are that we have different ideas of hedging, as I only trade commod futures, not options. I don't know which instruments you trade.

Although, based on your handle, I am keen to guess. Spot Forex?

...5. Hedging works best when trading on fundamentals and target t/p is over 100pts i.e. when sentiment moves the price against the fundamentals.

Not sure I am reading this one right.

Target is over 100 points...up or down for your entry?

I'd need an example from your trading to see how this has worked.
 
based on your handle, I am keen to guess. Spot Forex?

Go back to the "Trading the Indices on Fundamentals" thread, read the opening post, all is explained therein.

The rest of y'r posts already have answers, no need to repeat myself. As for the 100pts, expand that to read 100 DOW points (all my pt references are DOW pts unless specifically said otherwise)
 
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Go back to the "Trading the Indices on Fundamentals" thread, read the opening post, all is explained therein.

Oh, that thread. Yeah, I still don't know how to tell the difference between "sentiment" and "trend" and fundamentals.

...when sentiment goes against the fundamentals then, rather than STOP the positions, add to them, being hedged will allow you to do that and come out the other side with 6 fugure profits...

Look, sorry man. I'm willing to start fresh with you if you are with me, no harm no foul. Shit happens on BBSes like this.
 
For someone that said has made $½m trading

If you cannot understand any of the above, particularlu the using of common sense, then don't hedge, don't even trade because you know nothing about trading.
Hey, be nice, he made $500,000 in trading a year so he knew what he was talking about.
 
I still don't know how to tell the difference between "sentiment" and "trend" and fundamentals.

man, you need help, spend the next couple of weeks reading up on the biography of the great traders of our time

I'm willing to start fresh with you if you are with me

Fine with me.. I've only been repeating your vulgarities and demeaning words you used first i.e. I did not initiate, just responded, and will continue in that vane.
 
man, you need help, spend the next couple of weeks reading up on the biography of the great traders of our time

Yes sir.

Fine with me.. I've only been repeating your vulgarities and demeaning words you used first i.e. I did not initiate, just responded, and will continue in that vane.

Very well then. I'll keep the personal attacks out of it and just grumble internally.
 
Oh man, the first post is so wrong, hope no one is taking that advice. Isn't Edd Thorp a successfull trader? well, he said "master hedging and scale out of losses" advice that has let me not only survive black swans countless times but also allowd me to come out of the event with 6 figure profits. Same goes for the last part of the post... being convinced that the trade is good does not stop a tweet or black swan from making it go bad even temporarily but seriously enough to blow the account if a hedge or STOP wasn't in place.

The second post contradicts the first, can I then assume that you dont't know what hedging is?

An essential part of being a successful trader is to preserve capital, S/Ls don't always achieve this as many STOPS in a row can deplete capital, whereas hedging can keep a status quo even when markets turn against the positions. Ideed good trading requires the trader to be in the right direction most of the time, but even this, requires protection against temporary reversals... STOPS can often turn an otherwise good position into a loss, hedging can save the position untill the temporary reversal recovers.

Hedging does have a cost but using it can also give the trader >3,000 ROI compared to >200 ROI when using STOPS on the 1:3 principal. So, if you scalp then continue with the S/L strategy, but if you trade on fundamentals then hedging is the way to go... remain convicted to the fundamentals but take out insurance against sentiment swings, when sentiment goes against the fundamentals then, rather than STOP the positions, add to them, being hedged will allow you to do that and come out the other side with 6 fugure profits.

You need to size positions so that one position will not cause major problems. Seems you're overleveraged and/or overconcentrated.
 
What if a meteorite hits and the NYSE gets wiped-out with the test of the USA, what if.... anything can happen, nothing is foolproof, all positions need to be managed untill closed but some strategies are better than others. To answer your scenarion specifically, once the hedge gets STOPPED because your trade is in profit, then put a traling stop on the position at that time, simple.

If a meteorite hits the US and is significant enough to cause major problems in US then your profits are the least of your worries. You need to start storing food and maybe ammunition.
But again, it's never smart to be concentrated on the long side to this extent.
 
it's never smart to be concentrated on the long side to this extent.

Smart advice, the only thing that could be worst is to be concentrated on the short side of an Index since history tells that an Index has a high probability to break its former highs (giving time) but a low probability of ever reaching its former lows.

Seems you're overleveraged and/or overconcentrated

I'm not as I'm hedger and diversified, I'm however curious on how you derivided at your asessment.
 
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