Trading on Linux

[M.W.]

I did not read in your post about a single deficiency of windows. That windows is not unsafe at all shows that it powers 72% of worldwide servers (the underlying kernels between the consumer and server editions are nowadays virtually identical) . Perhaps you refer to Microsoft windows 15 years ago. But that's not the windows today. It installs, it works, resource utilization is negligible if you have a properly spec'd PC and unless you need to get every lady 0.1% of performance out of your computer. It just works and it has done so for years now. And I use VS a lot, like probably many times more than you. I have coded in C++, C#, Python, Typescript, Java, and Javascript, I used tons of add-ons like ReSharper and gui libraries, never failed me. I still code a lot in C# even today all using VS. For Python I prefer something more lightweight such as VS Code. All Microsoft products. All working fantastically well, so well that they are the world's top coding environments. I guess all those developers know a thing or two. They would not use tools that don't work or crash or hang.

I never said anything about installing Windows. Installation is about the same as any other user friendly Linux distro. I was talking about installing Visual Studio and its many components.



The official name is Windows Subsystem for Linux, there is no need to point out that it's version 2. We already assume it's the latest version.



All the native customisation KDE offers is useful. Windows is like buying a standard vehicle off the lot and that's what you have. Linux is like a WRC racing car where you want everything configured to your liking. It makes my workflow faster and more enjoyable. Worth it for me. If you think standard Windows setup is decent then we can just disagree because for me it's unusable. I use tools like Yakuake as I do a lot of the things in terminals, I have keyboard shortcuts and scripting set up how I like it so sometimes before market open, I might compile and upload binary files to cloud within seconds. The same thing would be much more cumbersome in Windows.



Not sure what you're talking about here. I don't use Windows apps. Software written for Windows is specific and emulators can only do so much. Use native Linux applications instead and you have no problems. Or else use a VM (which is nearly the same as using WSL2 in Windows).



You seem to have a hardon for Windows. I just use the better, more capable system. There's a reason Microsoft developers admitted to using Linux to design many of the tools.
Windows security issues are well detailed and if you update often then you're likely to not have many problems. But skip updated for a while and it's a disaster waiting to happen. Not the same in Linux.

 

[M.W.]

Calm down brother, you first accuse me of lying then you say the same thing as I said. What did I lie about? I don't think I ever lied about a single thing here ever. And yes, that's like going to the Windows website and seeing sample apps like MS Office, which is NOT some pathetic paint app that can do so little no self-respecting artist and designer would ever use it.

Here, I quote from the KDE website directly: "Krita is an application used by many artists that gives to everyone the opportunity to draw concept art, textures, matte paintings, illustrations and comics. Kdenlive is a professional tool that enables everyone to do non-linear video editing. DigiKam is an advanced open-source digital photo management application that provides a comprehensive set of tools for importing, managing, editing, and sharing photos and raw files." matte paintings? That's like saying" with Microsoft Word you can bold or underline text that you write". LOL.

And no, it's totally untrue that most large companies and popular software application are ported to run on Linux, they DON'T. Does MS Office work on Linux? Adobe apps like Photoshop? For everything you need dirty hacks, workarounds, emulations... Again, if that is what you enjoy, great, I don't want to deal with hacky shit, I want to utilize my productivity to the fullest and not have to deal with constant issues. Download, click on install, run the software, done. With Linux you are limited to work with a few obscure apps that NOBODY who seriously works in different industries uses. Go on the Adobe user forum and check how a lot of professional designers think how the Linux enabled programs suck so big time vs Adobe or other truly professional graphics design applications.

Hating Microsoft is a fad that is what it is all about. Rebels wanting to show the world how its being done alternatively to Microsoft. Except it's only useful in edge cases. And perhaps you are an edge case. But please don't try to convince anyone that the Linux ecosystem is either easier to use (it's not), offers more freedom and versatility (it's not, hardly any popular and professional apps run on Linux natively), or safer (it's not if you don't watch porn, download illegally distributed files or other trash), and it's not even cheaper (if you account for all those hours of getting things to work the way you want).

Now you're just straight up lying. The applications on the page are examples, nothing else. That's like going to look at Windows, see examples of Office and say "see, they only have this office tools suite and nothing else".

KDE has both GIMP and Krita available. Both run circles around Paint. Krita is a free Photoshop alternative but it's much more user friendly, I'd not use Photoshop again.

People also used to buy a lot of GM cars, until they didn't. The mainstream is slow to catch up with anything, especially technology. Most serious enterprises absolutely have Linux versions of their software, it's only the smaller ones which don't have the resources to release Linux versions.

 

[M.W.]

Yeah those who run windows 95 or other outdated stuff perhaps. You also interact and pass by content that just works every single day not knowing it's powered by windows. And yes, it's embarrassing, but not for Microsoft but a bank or airport or advertising corporation that still runs outdated windows versions and runs buggy software apps on it.

From advertising screens to train station terminals: Linux is used in a variety of kiosk and signage situations around the world — far too many to list individually!

Now this one I'm not sure about. I've seen many airport information screens run Windows, how do I know this? They're displaying a BSOD or a recovery screen when you walk by...

And I've seen multiple ATMs running Windows show the BSOD, embarrassing.

 

[d08]

I did not read in your post about a single deficiency of windows. That windows is not unsafe at all shows that it powers 72% of worldwide servers.

Where did you get that number from because that's entirely made up. Server share of Windows based OS is 22%. Most of them are legacy systems running ASP.

Perhaps you refer to Microsoft windows 15 years ago. But that's not the windows today. It installs, it works, resource utilization is negligible if you have a properly spec'd PC and unless you need to get every lady 0.1% of performance out of your computer.

I have a dual boot machine with Manjaro Linux and Windows 10. Keeping the latter only for games because it's simply not as good for productive stuff. So no-one here is talking about 15 years ago. Back then I was using Windows because Linux was graphically still lagging. The tables have turned now.
There's other technical issues with Windows like using NTFS, which is 1980s technology and simply patched to work in modern systems. I'm using Btrfs now, which is built to be modern. There's many benefits ranging from speed, the backup system etc.

I still code a lot in C# even today all using VS. For Python I prefer something more lightweight such as VS Code. All Microsoft products. All working fantastically well, so well that they are the world's top coding environments. I guess all those developers know a thing or two.

You keep repeating yourself. I already admitted I use VSCodium (VSCode without the MS telemetry). That project has absolutely nothing to do with Windows. It works the same in Linux. So what is your point? That Microsoft has some good products? That's fine with me.

Calm down brother, you first accuse me of lying then you say the same thing as I said. What did I lie about? I don't think I ever lied about a single thing here ever. And yes, that's like going to the Windows website and seeing sample apps like MS Office, which is NOT some pathetic paint app that can do so little no self-respecting artist and designer would ever use it.

That's your opinion because Krita is being used by serious artists. You lied about KDE only having the listed applications available when that is blatantly false. There's plenty of software and I'm not missing anything from Windows.

In the end, you don't daily drive both operating systems, I have for years although I rarely use Windows now. I know the pitfalls of both and for what they're suited for.
Maybe try using something before you get cocky with opinions that are based on looking at descriptions.

 

[M.W.]

I sent the link above in an earlier post. Your numbers are completely wrong. How can you say it's made up?

So, Linux cannot even run the most demanding games? Surprises me after what you said about the power and freedom linux offers. I thought it can run all major apps, so that does not include ms office, Adobe products and large games?

Again, I never lied, and I did NOT say those are the only apps that run on KDE. I said it's hilarious that they talk about those apps as part of their OS and distro given how limited those apps are that no serious designer, architect, producer, or artist would use them. And that they emphasize that you can create "matte images" with it, lol. Almost cute.

Who said I don't use Linux? I use it on a daily basis via wsl2 to run my entire financial historical database on (clickhouse, oh shit it's created by yandex a Russian company) . It's a very good open source columnar database and it works best on Linux. See? I can see where Linux has strengths and use it, I repeat, Linux is a shit OS for the average consumer. It's awesome in edge cases.

Where did you get that number from because that's entirely made up. Server share of Windows based OS is 22%. Most of them are legacy systems running ASP.



I have a dual boot machine with Manjaro Linux and Windows 10. Keeping the latter only for games because it's simply not as good for productive stuff. So no-one here is talking about 15 years ago. Back then I was using Windows because Linux was graphically still lagging. The tables have turned now.
There's other technical issues with Windows like using NTFS, which is 1980s technology and simply patched to work in modern systems. I'm using Btrfs now, which is built to be modern. There's many benefits ranging from speed, the backup system etc.



You keep repeating yourself. I already admitted I use VSCodium (VSCode without the MS telemetry). That project has absolutely nothing to do with Windows. It works the same in Linux. So what is your point? That Microsoft has some good products? That's fine with me.



That's your opinion because Krita is being used by serious artists. You lied about KDE only having the listed applications available when that is blatantly false. There's plenty of software and I'm not missing anything from Windows.

In the end, you don't daily drive both operating systems, I have for years although I rarely use Windows now. I know the pitfalls of both and for what they're suited for.
Maybe try using something before you get cocky with opinions that are based on looking at descriptions.

 

[d08]

And no, it's totally untrue that most large companies and popular software application are ported to run on Linux, they DON'T. Does MS Office work on Linux? Adobe apps like Photoshop? For everything you need dirty hacks, workarounds, emulations... Again, if that is what you enjoy, great, I don't want to deal with hacky shit, I want to utilize my productivity to the fullest and not have to deal with constant issues. Download, click on install, run the software, done. With Linux you are limited to work with a few obscure apps that NOBODY who seriously works in different industries uses. Go on the Adobe user forum and check how a lot of professional designers think how the Linux enabled programs suck so big time vs Adobe or other truly professional graphics design applications.

That's a lot of text for so little meaning. Suddenly you're a graphic designer? For the majority Krita and GIMP would work. If you're into audiovisual stuff then you're using MacOS, not Windows nor Linux, so your point is moot.
I do all my office related stuff in LibreOffice and I'm fine with it. I don't need MS Office for anything, you seem to be stuck on the idea that you need it. Having MS Office would do nothing for my productivity either. There is nothing "hacky" about LibreOffice. The installation is faster than on Windows as well, I can just type "sudo pacman -S libreoffice" or do it graphically from the package manager in 3 clicks.
So your "workarounds" point is moot as well.

Your whole position on this OS fight comes from ignorance, just like your opinion on Ukraine. The theme is clear. See ya.

 

[d08]

I sent the link above in an earlier post. Your numbers are completely wrong. How can you say it's made up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

The data is very clear.

 

[M.W.]

Funny, now you need to pick different metrics to push up numbers? I never contented the percent of Linux powered devices worldwide. So I see no point in your link. I made a claim about the server market, you know, the market that is operated by professionals who know (mostly) what they are doing. I can't fault a pimply teenie for trying some Linux distro but Windows runs on most servers worldwide, you can argue as much as you want around it, the facts and hard numbers are on the the table.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

The data is very clear.

 

[M.W.]

Except Libre office gets clumsy when you get into macros (Libre office basic, lol) , and how about rtd servers? Or APIs? Good luck with that. Can you write an rtd server for the spreadsheet app in any language you like and use as add-in in Libre office? How long would it take you? Those sort of things are what I am talking about. I never questioned that you can do your budget on the Libre office spreadsheet app or write a document or create a basic presentation. It's the fine grained features that apps around office offer that are all lacking in most Linux based apps. Heck, even the office 365 apps on Mac OS are shit. If you are interested I can give you a list of important features in excel or Word that are all missing in the macOS version. By design? Perhaps. But bottom line is that they are crippled and don't offer the same important features that the ones on windows offer.

My entire point is that Linux is a clumsy OS to work with, it's like you arguing to death that books are still the best means to learn and gain wisdom and education when everyone else uses videos and online and interactive content. Typing stuff into a command line window just so you come across as hip and save 2 seconds on your installation does not make Linux suited for most people. It is and will always be a clumsy OS to work with. Why? Because it was created and designed by clumsy people and it's being maintained and improved by clumsy people. People with design and artistic skills and work experience cost a lot of money, not really something this particular community can afford. Otherwise they would have done so a long time ago.

That's a lot of text for so little meaning. Suddenly you're a graphic designer? For the majority Krita and GIMP would work. If you're into audiovisual stuff then you're using MacOS, not Windows nor Linux, so your point is moot.
I do all my office related stuff in LibreOffice and I'm fine with it. I don't need MS Office for anything, you seem to be stuck on the idea that you need it. Having MS Office would do nothing for my productivity either. There is nothing "hacky" about LibreOffice. The installation is faster than on Windows as well, I can just type "sudo pacman -S libreoffice" or do it graphically from the package manager in 3 clicks.
So your "workarounds" point is moot as well.

Your whole position on this OS fight comes from ignorance, just like your opinion on Ukraine. The theme is clear. See ya.

 

[guest_trader_1]

Sure, but you being so surprised shows you are not quite that informed.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/915085/global-server-share-by-os/

That's just a text without any backing data. Anyone can say the opposite.