Trading on Divine Psychology

When I first read a book this type I really believed it is true. Then I found an another one, and another and now these. It seems like
so many entities and people from the future contacting humans, that
I am waiting for my contacts so I can also write few books about it.

From one of the critiques:
"fits the classic pattern to a tee. It too is a story of advanced spiritual beings physically appearing to someone and giving him a special message for the world. It too has sold lots of copies and led to a lucrative speaking career for its author. It too has gone over big with the masses"

http://www.circleofa.org/articles/Entities.php
 
Quote from clightmarathon:

When I first read a book this type I really believed it is true. Then I found an another one, and another and now these. It seems like
so many entities and people from the future contacting humans, that
I am waiting for my contacts so I can also write few books about it.


Good one!

Believe me, i've read several types of these books, but can say that this one is different. It took me a while to figure out what's going on. It imagination against Reality. Anything goes. There is no limit to the amount of BS allowed to keep us from figuring this out. It's our imagination against our own Reality. It's effective because we are complicit in helping it. Each man has ulterior motives that are initially allied with the imagination and it's values. It takes a while to overcome this.

Yes, i've read some very impressive, authoritative sounding books, channels, spirit guides, all that. These i now consider relative to imagination, and may indeed describe the works of the imagination, but always in terms of "reality". At worse, they serve to DELAY the realization that it is all of it is BS. At best, they may serve to enlighten minds that have been to some very dark places, who need a rope to be thrown down the well they've fallen into.


Quote from clightmarathon:


From one of the critiques:
"fits the classic pattern to a tee. It too is a story of advanced spiritual beings physically appearing to someone and giving him a special message for the world. It too has sold lots of copies and led to a lucrative speaking career for its author. It too has gone over big with the masses"

http://www.circleofa.org/articles/Entities.php

These people are bitter and jealous because they were working with this kind of information long before G. Renard came onto the scene. And everybody thinks they are important enough to have their own personal guides or channels. G. R had no such aspirations, and was picked because of an important connection to one of the two beings that began to visit him.

They are basically accusing him of completely making this up, even though he has stuck to his story for all these years. I suppose that's possible. But let me tell you why i don't think it is. I just don't think G Renard matches the kind of person who would be interested in that. The guy was a professional guitar player for years. I was a guitar player, and i know that we are all honest guys, even Slash!

Also, so what if it sounds like what happened to Joseph Smith, which is really the nearest comparable experience. Even then, Smith did not have two beings showing up together "in the flesh" on a regular basis, like this. And you know what, i actually believe something happened to Joseph Smith. Unfortunately, i think he was a willing accomplice/victim (depending on how you want to look at it) in a great imagination's attempt to deceive. After all, his question was, Which church should he go to? All of the above? None of the above? I think he was ripe for psychological manipulation because i was approaching it all wrong.

And for that reason, maybe G. Renard is honest enough, but deceived. What i have done is taken the message and considered it on it's own merits. And its the message that im responding to...that rings *true* for me.
 
Quote from brocklanders:

Yes, it is worth repeating that the predictions they made about the future leader of Iran being a lunatic predated his first year in office in 2005 by many years. Renard had all of the material to write both books well before they were ever published. The prediction is all the more astonishing considering that Iran's leader before Ahmadinejad was a moderate in comparison and it is almost as if the pages of the book were written from today's headlines regarding Iran's nuclear aspirations. I was actually rather floored when I read this for the first time last week!

Quote from Benjamin Fulford:

The thing Persians need to know is that senior members of their government, including President Ahmajinedad, are cabal agents deliberately trying to start WW3. The Pentagon, the Russian Military and the Chinese military are all trying to prevent the caval plan to use a war between Israel and Iran to trigger WW3. The Israelis have been screaming hysterically about attacking Iran for more than 10 years and it has not happened and I do not think it will happen because the rest of the world is sick and tired of Israel's anti-social behaviour.

Benjamin Fulford
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/
 
Quote from Good1:

its the message that im responding to...that rings *true* for me.

I agree with you. Just to others, other messages ring true.
I will read the book, but need to find a downloadable copy, and see it for myself.
 
Quote from clightmarathon:

I agree with you. Just to others, other messages ring true.
I will read the book, but need to find a downloadable copy, and see it for myself.

Maybe Amazon would have a downloadable version?

I reread what i said and wanted to clarify. There are lots of impressive sounding messages and means by which they seem to arrive to the ears of earthlings. Amongst the various methods of communication, the method used to reach Gary was the most impressive, imo, i've ever heard about. It is MORE impressive even then the story of Jesus appearing to various people after walking out of a locked tomb, having been left for dead.


And i guess my point was that i've disqualified several messages, even though the means were impressive. I've settled on Gary's message because of the message, even though it was the means that caught my attention initially, and required my consideration.

Oh, and he says (they say) that they are using the same psychological methods that Jesus used to appear and disappear for some time after he walked out of a tomb...that in fact they learned it from him. So you would think this book would be snatched up by every so-called church in the US of A right? No! Wrong! And once you understand what the issues really are, you'll understand why mainstream Christianity will have nothing to do with it. Most, for that reason, have probably not even heard of it. They read what their leaders approve of and rarely go beyond the pale of fear that is set up.
 
I can't say much without reading it.
I read that Renard's book's message is the same as the Course In Miracles, so I guess, it will not cause harm if people reading it, believing it, even if it is a product of Renard's imagination.

With any spiritual material, if the author becomes rich in the process of distributing the message, it always makes me suspicious.
 
I feel sad for you Good1. Is your life so meaningless and empty.. void of hope?

All I can do is pray for you...

I would never dishoner the Lord Jesus Christ by posting arguements with you. It would not bring any Glory. All that would become of it is that you would stick to your opinion and nothing would be accomplished. All that I can hope for is perhaps you will reconsider your path sometime later in life and this time that we posted here in ET planted a seed.

But...I do feel bad for you and truly wish you the best in Eternity, but not in hell. Firstly, I hope you become saved in the Lord Jesus Christs grace that he gives to you and may the trials of your tribulations be tested with fire and I hope you gather many rewards in Heaven.

Forgive him Lord as this anonymous character known as Good1 knows not what he is doing and you died for him also. Sometimes when posting as an anonymous character it is not the real heart...I Thank you Lord for your longsuffering waiting and knocking on the door.

ES
 
Quote from ElectricSavant:

I feel sad for you Good1. Is your life so meaningless and empty.. void of hope?

All I can do is pray for you...

I would never dishoner the Lord Jesus Christ by posting arguements with you. It would not bring any Glory. All that would become of it is that you would stick to your opinion and nothing would be accomplished. All that I can hope for is perhaps you will reconsider your path sometime later in life and this time that we posted here in ET planted a seed.

But...I do feel bad for you and truly wish you the best in Eternity, but not in hell. Firstly, I hope you become saved in the Lord Jesus Christs grace that he gives to you and may the trials of your tribulations be tested with fire and I hope you gather many rewards in Heaven.

Forgive him Lord as this anonymous character known as Good1 knows not what he is doing and you died for him also. Sometimes when posting as an anonymous character it is not the real heart...I Thank you Lord for your longsuffering waiting and knocking on the door.

ES

Well now that this is in chit chat i guess anybody can say anything they want! ;)

I'll correct your misunderstandings the best i can later if i want to. I have something i must attend to this evening and tomorrow. Over all , i consider this tone to be a temptation that many end up falling for. There's this great endeavor to get Reality to bow down to imagination. The story of Jesus' temptation by the devil is a parable describing just this issue. Imagination seems to offer us something. It may glitter. But it always requires one to bow down to it's wished-for supremacy.

Life does not come from death, so no, Jesus did not die, and so, did not die for you or me. On the other hand, he may have traded imagination for Reality for you and me, which is the best understanding of what it means to go from death to Life. This is the meaning of the proverbial resurrection, which is the only significant aspect that has some bearing on what becomes of you and me. Life comes from Life...from a mind that understands what Life is all about, and can communicate that to minds still "dead in sin", which is to be caught up in the imagination.

I was once offered $50,000 to pray to the god of this world and turned it down because it meant to bow down to it. Not sure if the guy had the means to pay. He dressed so well, and a thought i saw a stack of cash in his wallet one day. He may have had the means, and was serious, or he may not have had the means and was floating a hypothetical, hard to say. But i turned it down.
 
Quote from ElectricSavant:

I would never dishoner the Lord Jesus Christ by posting arguements with you. It would not bring any Glory.

People do dishonor when they misrepresent the Divine. Deals that demand that a demeaning Divinity dole out damnation to dupes that don't dance are disrespectful and derelict, not dandy.
 
Quote from clightmarathon:

I can't say much without reading it.
I read that Renard's book's message is the same as the Course In Miracles, so I guess, it will not cause harm if people reading it, believing it, even if it is a product of Renard's imagination.

It does function as a sales-letter for the material you mentioned, which they say is the underlying psychology that frees them up to transcend the perceived limits of time.

I don't think there is a downloadable version of Gary's Book. There is, however a place where the materials you mentioned can be read almost in its entirety online (though not downloadable).

Quote from clightmarathon:

With any spiritual material, if the author becomes rich in the process of distributing the message, it always makes me suspicious.

I thought Amanda Knox was innocent. But then, when she signed a deal to get $4 Million for her story, well, now i think she is guilty...of not giving me any of it!

;)

Somehow i doubt Gary can be considered rich, even though his book was a best-seller for a while. Seems to me that if book sales slow down, spending might've overtaken revenue. Gary's finances, if secure, would be the result of the popularity of the message, which does get a boost from the alleged mode of delivery. What he was able to do was to make an easy read of what might've otherwise been a dry subject that goes over peoples heads. This functioned to popularize the message. Popularity = best-seller. It's popular because of the unique mode of delivery, because it's an easy read, and because the message is positive.

So,

Mode of delivery = true = popular
Mode of delivery = false = popular

I'm trying to figure out how popularity relates to honesty relates to rich.

Amanda Knox = guilty = popular
Amanda Knox = innocent = popular
 
Back
Top