Trading needs the same "revolution" that martial arts went through 15 years ago
- Thread starter IronFist
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I looked into taking it, but felt weird because the security was so tight at the Jewish Center. Made me feel like there might be a bombing. That and another place teach it in Costa Mesa, CA as well as others. The real thing not some tai bo, check spelling, workout routine.
Check the origins of it. Imi Lectheinfeld, check selling again, was ond of founders of Krav Maga and the IDF. He studied multiple martial arts and beat up Nazi in what was then Bratislava Czechoslovakia. He took what worked in the street from what he studied and created Krav Maga when Israel was founded . If you get a chance watch the fight sport guys on Discovery I believe? They did one on Krav Maga. Too bad our friend RM is gone, he could chime in as ex IDF. Basically my advice is to focus on something based on gross motor movements not fany smancy locks and moves. Here is the link for Krav Maga http://www.commandokravmaga.com/html/index.html
After the 911 attacks the flight attendants from OC got training from one of Krav Maga schools in Costa Mesa. How to use trays and other readily available stuff to defend and hurt if need be.
If you think about it Israel is surrounded by ppl. that hate their guts. They have survived by being tough. Their methods are tested in the field. That's what you want right? Just like in trading.
That's right, that's what I want. I'm especially interested in learning defense techniques against knife attacks and firearms. Competition sports teach you a system that's shaped around rules and not necessarily what's most effective.
Muay Thai is absolutely useless when confronted with an opponent with a knife. If someone rushed me with a knife I wouldn't know how to handle it. Even if I do manage to block a few strikes, any stab I receive is potentially fatal. To solve that problem I'm looking for a combat style that will teach me to neutralize an armed opponent and put me out of risk as soon as possible.
Muay Thai is absolutely useless when confronted with an opponent with a knife. If someone rushed me with a knife I wouldn't know how to handle it. Even if I do manage to block a few strikes, any stab I receive is potentially fatal. To solve that problem I'm looking for a combat style that will teach me to neutralize an armed opponent and put me out of risk as soon as possible.
Most combat styles will teach you the Japanese Jiujisu methods; it's the most affective against knife attack and firearm attack, amazingly you'll only need a couple days to learn and about 3 months to train your reflexes. Marine's self defense is probably the best there is, and against an average street punk, confidence is the key to fend off an attacker.
That's a high risk defense if ever there was one, and essentially unproveable until you get to real-life situations.
I know BJJ works on unarmed / semi-armed opponents, no idea what type of unarmed super power attack is going to take out a guy with a gun (hence the esoteric comment), but here's a video anyway.
Krav Maga Gunfighting
But if you really wanna know about gunplay, you should go talk to the POLICE.
Quote from IronFist:
I've been in martial arts circles almost my entire life. Here's a quick refresher. I'm sure you'll be able to drawl parallels to trading. If not, they're pointed out at the end.
- Approx. 15+ years ago, there were tons of martial arts "masters" with their own schools (many of these instructors were fat and out of shape, but that's another story altogether).
- These "masters" told their students how "deadly" they were. The students had never actually seen their masters kill anyone, or even fight against a resisting opponent for that matter, but they were convinced they were super deadly, and that they were learning super deadly techniques.
- Students learned cool-looking 15-hit combos to counter a punch, but they didn't realize that their "opponent" was throwing a slow punch that wouldn't have hit the guy anyway and leaving his arm out there while his partner does the 15 hit combo. Student thinks he's a badass and develops false confidence. Student has never been in a fight or trained against a resiting opponent. Also, the instructors never actually spar with the students (cuz if a student won, the instructor's credibility would be lowered).
- Some claims were ridiculous; qi (internal energy) "masters" claimed they could knock out an opponent without even touching them! Students flocked to these teachers to learn this super deadly art.
- Approx. 15 years ago, no holds barred fighting tournaments began to gain popularity. In the beginning, a small number of contestants knew how to fight, and a huge number of contestants thought they knew how to fight (usually the ones with the "super deadly" teachers)
- In a very short period of time (relatively speaking), it is quickly and irrevocably established who knows how to defend themselves and who doesn't; what styles works and what styles don't.
- Now, all of the previous "masters" realize they're in trouble; they know they can't actually fight. They know they can't actually knock out people without touching them. They need to come up with ways to keep students (and therefore, income), but they would never actually step in the ring and try to prove they can fight (because they can't). So they come up with a brilliant line: "what we teach is too deadly for the ring."
- This continues to lure in some unsuspecting students, but more and more people are leaving these traditional schools to go study at schools run by champions and students of champions who have actually proven that they know how to defend themselves and who don't say "oh yeah I'm super deadly and can shoot fireballs. You better believe me. I'm super deadly."
- Occasionally, a match gets set up between one of these "super deadly no-hit knock out" guys and a real fighter (there are clips on youtube I can link if you want, some are hilarious, some are sad because you feel so bad for the charlatan... in some cases I think they were so brainwashed that they actually believed they could knock out an opponent without touching them), and the actual fighters always win decisively.
- Also occasionally, fights get arranged between super deadly fireball shooting ninjas and real fighters, but the super deadly fireball shooting ninjas come up with some excuse, or back out, as to why they can't actually fight.
- In 2008 it is pretty widespread knowledge about what works in combat and what doesn't. Why? Because people representing fighting styles that actually work who know what is up have put their money where their mouth is, and win every time. Even if you're totally unfamiliar with martial arts, a bit of research on the internet and you can find out what is up. It's pretty unanimous: if you want to learn how to fight, you study Boxing and/or Muay Thai and/or Brazilian Jujitsu. If you want to learn pretty moves but get your ass kicked in a fight, you learn just about anything else. This is (almost 100%) fact. There are 1000s of documented videos in public arenas showing this. People from these styles put their money where their mouth is every single time, and win every single time. Fireball shooting ninjas do not, and if they do, they make up excuses why they lost.
- Today, if someone wants to learn how to fight and how to defend themselves in realistic situations, they go find a school run by someone with a history of winning actual fights. They train realistically against resisting opponents who are trying to hit them back. I have personally seen people training for 2 months at a school like this repeatedly beat blackbelts/black sashes in karate, tae kwon do, kung fu, aikido, etc. with 10+ years of training over and over again.
- Good instructors spar with their students. Why? Because 99% of the time they will win anyway, and if not, they don't make bullshit excuses. The realize even the best lose some days and they don't care because they have the UFC record to prove that they are good (remember, the fake teachers never spar with their students because they are fat and out of shape and can't actually fight and can't actually shoot fireballs, but they have to maintain and air of mysticism with their students or they will lose their guru status and their income).
So how is this related to trading?
There's so much bullshit out there that doesn't workcoughwoodiesCCIcough: ) yet they keep bringing in more and more students who lose money (get their asses kicked) yet who honestly thought they were learning something effective.
There are tons of people on this site who think they are gurus (invincible fireball shooting ninjas) but won't post a PnL statement (won't step in the ring to prove what they know).
Back in the day there were billions of instructional martial arts videos from every fireball shooting ninja style out there. Now there are almost none, because no one is interested in shit that doesn't work. Look at how many trading systems are for sale out there. None of them work. Yet people don't realize this yet.
The other thing I forgot to mention was, invincible fireball shooting ninjas loved answering questions with fortune cookie sounding bullshit. Why? Because a) it helped them sound even more like mythical legendary gurus, and b) they really didn't know the answer. Look at how much that happens here (or any trading forum). "Do what the price tells you to do." Uh, thanks.
Good martial arts schools produce champions who can fight. Good instructors have real experience from having been there. They don't fuck around brainwashing their students into being knocked out without even being touched.
Good traders produce PnL sheets before they start charging students and giving advice, and anytime during the instruction, as well.
Good martial arts instructors have no problem at any time reminding their students that they are a good teacher. They are 100% real and have no issues with it because it's true. Fake ninjas get pissed if you question their credibility because they have none.
Shitty trading gurus get pissed if you question their credibility because they have none.
A fake ninja showing his student a 15-hit counter to a shitty punch that is left with the arm extended is the same as showing someone how to trade in the middle of a chart. Real fighters know that you pull your arm back after a punch instantly (because leaving it out there = getting it broken).
Real instructors answer their students questions honestly and clearly, and say "does that make sense? Here, let me show you... see? You have to grab the elbow with your outside hand, otherwise you can't apply the choke. Here, you try. make sense now?" Fake ninjas give bullshit fortune cookie advice and get pissed if you question them.
Real traders answer clearly and with concrete examples. Fake trading gurus answer with fortune cookie bullshit. If asked "what do I do here?" They might say "do what the chart tells you to do." Thanks, guru! may i have some more kool-aid? Or, they might give you a long answer full of ambiguous babble and big words to try and sound smart. But don't question any of it. They are infallible. And if you don't understand it, the problem obviously lies with you. Just like the student who asks his deadly ninja sensei "can you really knock out an opponent without touching them???
AMAZING!!
One of the best post I have ever read.
You have no idea how right you are!
Yeah that was pretty funny
I doubt that I will ever have to defend myself against a firearm. I would co-operate in most cases, even if I knew how to defend myself against it.
But there are some imaginable situations where the risk of not-acting far outweighs the risk of resisting.
Regarding esotericism: you're using the wrong word here. There are no 'inner' and 'outer' teachings when it comes to Krav Maga. Nor is it a style that's fit to translate into a sport. Once you start to shape a combat style around a system of rules fit for competition you decrease its effectiveness in situations where the stakes are about survival. There's an element of non-realism introduced into any martial arts competition so as to allow for comparison between contenders.
In Muay Thai you don't practise to safeguard your life in the most pressing of situations. You practise to beat an opponent in a ring according to certain rules.
Agreed, if faced with a gun which is unlikely because I live in 1 out of 10 crime area I would be inclined to throw my wallet one way and run the other. To JJ's earlier point that video he posted does look more complicated than the newer gun disarms I have seen in Krav Maga demos, everything evolves just as in trading. One of the advantages is Krav Maga isn't tied down to certain method they appear to evolve, they borrow from anything that works.
Watching some of the videos from human weapon they had some BJJ ground defense during the Krav Maga training, but they don't intend to go to ground. They kicked back after being knocked down and fought to get up quick.
First of all I don't want to fight unless it really necessary and then I definitely don't want to take some down on concrete where there is debris and hard surface.