Trading Journal - June

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Originally posted by mbg
Seanote -

i'm not following you on IBM at 15:25 - but was wondering why the stock dropped a point right at the close?

The specialists gapped it up on low volume during that time frame then waited for the suckers to buy into the false rally. After they squezzed out what they could they dropped the price quickly, again on low volume. I'm sure most of you know this already but for those that don't.... when a stock gaps up on low volume (bearish signal); if stock gaps down on low volume (bullish); gaps up on high volume (bullish); gaps down on high volume (bearish).
 
Originally posted by Seanote
Here's a great lesson to learn. Look at a 1 min chart and notice the huge gap down around 15:25. That gap, or part of it will usually fill which I was expecting, but not to the extreme and quickness that it did. One obvious point that slipped my mind was as the market nearined the close, portfolio managers will send huge buy side order flow to inflate the closing price of their large holdings so they have a more favorable report at quarters end. I can't believe, well acutally I can, how fast that stock gapped up. I refuse to sell into that manipulation by the specialists. Now that the market is closed you can see how quickly the price dropped back.


i think seanote is talking about his IBM trade, not MSFT.
 
Originally posted by rs7

This practice is called "painting the tape", which is not only a violation of exchange rules, but is illegal as well. I know that some of you here must have passed the series 55?

It is illegal but is a common practice that is not regulated. They will send buy orders in 100K blocks, the specialists see these orders then run the stock in their favor while only execution on a small amount of the order, hence the low volume during the gap up and down. That rule is in the 3,4,24,7,55,65 exam books and then some.
 
why did you short again IBM 8 minutes after you covered your previous IBM short? what changed your mind?

seanote are you talking about MSFT or IBM??

also if you "expecting that gap to fill" then why did you short IBM again at that price?
 
Originally posted by FasterPussycat
why did you short again IBM 8 minutes after you covered your previous IBM short? what changed your mind?

Your right about the typo on MSFT... I meant IBM.

I shorted IBM again since it moved up about .20 from the price I covered at plus I intended on my first short to hold overnight but when IBM gapped down that quick I wanted to lock in profits with the hope to go short again after the gap filled which sort of worked out for me. We'll see on Monday.
 
Originally posted by Seanote


It is illegal but is a common practice that is not regulated. They will send buy orders in 100K blocks, the specialists see these orders and run the stock in their favor while only execution on a small amount of the order, hence the low volume during the gap up and down. That rule is in the 3,4,24,7,55,65 exam books and then some.
Seanote, I am sure you are right about where this rule is found....just been so long since I did the others. Only the 55 recent for me. Anyway, you are also right about the specialists, which is why I have always contended that as all thoroughbred race horsed are decended from Man 'O War, all specialists are decendants of Ghengis Kahn. Hitler was a specialist. Charles Manson too:)
PS: What is the 65 exam? I must really be getting old...this stuff passing me by. I took all the others with pencil and paper...except for the 3...that was in 87 or so when they had computers...and of course the 55 just 'cause it's new.
 
I will start a new trading journal thread on Monday: "Trading Journal - July"

I will trade Mon. - Wed. next week. Friday is a half day and I'll be on vacation.
 
Originally posted by rs7

Seanote, I am sure you are right about where this rule is found....just been so long since I did the others. Only the 55 recent for me. Anyway, you are also right about the specialists, which is why I have always contended that as all thoroughbred race horsed are decended from Man 'O War, all specialists are decendants of Ghengis Kahn. Hitler was a specialist. Charles Manson too:)
PS: What is the 65 exam? I must really be getting old...this stuff passing me by. I took all the others with pencil and paper...except for the 3...that was in 87 or so when they had computers...and of course the 55 just 'cause it's new.

The 65 combines the 63 (State Exam) and 66 (Investment Advisor) so brokers/advisors can receive wrap fees for managed money.
 
Originally posted by Seanote


The 65 combines the 63 (State Exam) and 66 (Investment Advisor) so brokers/advisors can receive wrap fees for managed money.
ok, thanks for the info
 
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