Trading is not a legitimate business!

You may also want to look into creating an entity for your trading. The regs are generally somewhat different for small business policys, for instance, where I live, it is illegal for a business/group policy to not provide maternity coverage, whereas that is a common exclusion for individual policys. Mysmall business "group" consists of myself and my wife (my sole employee) via my trading L.L.C.
Jessie
 
Quote from littletwig:

IMHO, as a physician, you might save a great deal by establishing a medical savings account. For healthy people, including families, the savings add up, compared to the endless out of pocket expenses. Flexible spending accounts help, but you have to get the amount right, otherwise you lose the surplus!

Just a thought.

you dont save money up front with a msa. ive had one for 5+ years with golden rule. the insurance is more expensive than a regular health plan with hi limits right now because of congress mandates. you could save money in the long run if you never needed to use the msa.
 
Quote from vhehn:

you dont save money up front with a msa. ive had one for 5+ years with golden rule. the insurance is more expensive than a regular health plan with hi limits right now because of congress mandates. you could save money in the long run if you never needed to use the msa.


vhehn,

i dont use an MSA since my wife likes to keep it "traditional" LOL ! BUT, golden rule would be 175.00 per month for a family of 4 as opposed to 500.00 via aetna traditional plan. explain to me what i am missing.

best,

surfer
 
Quote from pspr:

Hey, there you go. There is always someone with the complete facts. But call the state ins. commission (they've saved my bacon more than once) but not a blood sucking lawyer.



if it wasn't for lawyers, big companies would be walking all over the little guy. cut them a break !

:D :p :D
 
No, if corporations didn't have lawyers and the little guy didn't have lawyers it would be even. Lawyers don't deserve a break.

Same reason a rattle snake won't strike a lawyer.
--- Professional courtesy.

And, don't think I just hate lawyers, my best friend is a state supreme court chief justice.

Quote from marketsurfer:

if it wasn't for lawyers, big companies would be walking all over the little guy. cut them a break !

:D :p :D
 
Quote from pspr:

No, if corporations didn't have lawyers and the little guy didn't have lawyers it would be even. Lawyers don't deserve a break.

Same reason a rattle snake won't strike a lawyer.
--- Professional courtesy.

And, don't think I just hate lawyers, my best friend is a state supreme court chief justice.



LOL, wally ! you have a good point.

take care,

surfer
 
Quote from jwishcamper:

Hi RCM—

The insurance provider’s position would come as a shock to Congress, the IRS, the federal courts, lawyers and accountants throughout the country. The body of case law where it has been determined that trading stocks or commodities CAN rise to the level of a business is voluminous. Congress recognized that by enacting IRS Section 475(f), which accords the mark-to-market election to traders [who, by definition, are trading for their own account and not for third persons; if they were trading for third persons, they would be “dealers” and would fall under a different but similar set of rules].

One case out of hundreds that holds that a taxpayer’s trading activities constituted a business for purposes of the Internal Revenue Code is Levin vs. U.S., 597 F2d 760 (Ct. Cl. 1979). There are many other cases that hold the same. There is no requirement for third party transactions before an activity can be a business. This insurance company can impose whatever underwriting requirements it wants (as long as it does not violate regulations of the state insurance commissioner), but this “third party transactions” condition is without any foundation in the law.

If you want to pursue this, I recommend you contact the state insurance commissioner’s office and file a complaint, if necessary.


joe,

thanks for the detailed information. i enjoyed your article this month in SFO.

best,

surfer
 
Oh, and here is how I solved the self-employed health insurance issue. I married a girl who works for a company with a great insurance plan.

I highly recomment that alternative.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

vhehn,

i don't use an MSA since my wife likes to keep it "traditional" LOL ! BUT, golden rule would be 175.00 per month for a family of 4 as opposed to 500.00 via aetna traditional plan. explain to me what i am missing.

best,

surfer

that would be a surprise to me since for my family of 2 i paid 676.96 per month. 100 of that goes into my msa savings account. the policy is a $3600 deductible msa policy.
where are you getting those numbers? i am curious to know what the difference could be.
 
Quote from vhehn:

that would be a surprise to me since for my family of 2 i paid 676.96 per month. 100 of that goes into my msa savings account. the policy is a $3600 deductible msa policy.
where are you getting those numbers? i am curious to know what the difference could be.


whoa ! that is outrageously high. i am getting my figures from www.ehealthinsurance.com

surfer
 
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