Trading Hammers (revisited)

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I was looking back at charts already discussed to refresh. And noticed I was unclear as to validity of one hammer pattern. I checked it against the checklist that I now have and did not have when we first discussed this chart. It seems to pass the checklist as you can see below. But I just want to confirm with you that it is a valid pattern. See chart.



Quote from sunnyskies:

This will be the abbreviations: LS = Lower Shadow of a candle; B = Body of a candle, US = Upper Shadow of a candle; WH = Bullish White Hammer; L = Low, H = High, O = Open, C = Close. Rules Checklist:

1) LS of WH > B of WH > US of WH

PASS

2) LS of WH longer than LSs of 3 prior candles

PASS

3) L of WH < Ls of 3 prior candles

PASS

4) LS of WH longer than Bs of 3 prior candles

PASS

5) If one or more of 3 prior candles is a red WRB, then LS of WH must ALSO be longer than LSs of 3 candles prior to the MOST RECENT red WRB and LS of WH must ALSO be longer than the Bs of 3 candles prior to the MOST RECENT red WRB.

RED WRB NOT ONE OF 3 PRIOR CANDLES SO DOESNT APPLY.

6) For Reversal Signal: if there's one or more red WRBs among 3 prior candles - then LS of WH does NOT have to be longer than the MOST RECENT red WRB's B.

SAME AS #5.

7) For Continuation Signal: There must be at least 3 candles between most recent green WRB and WH.

PASS


 

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Quote from sunnyskies:

I was looking back at charts already discussed to refresh. And noticed I was unclear as to validity of one hammer pattern. I checked it against the checklist that I now have and did not have when we first discussed this chart. It seems to pass the checklist as you can see below. But I just want to confirm with you that it is a valid pattern. See chart.

Yes...that's a valid Bullish White Hammer Pattern via the sub-group I'm discussing in this thread.

However, I would not have been able to get Long because of my Entry Signal method due to the fact that the interval after the pattern signal didn't tick low enough to allow me to possibly open a trade position.

NihabaAshi
 
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Hi Remiraz, *snip*

Relax.

Basically what we did was scour our charts for hammers and check what the price did after. It was noted that after a hammer candlestick, the price has around a 50% chance of going up by x ticks or down by x ticks.

I could be wrong though.
 
Quote from Remiraz:

Relax.

Basically what we did was scour our charts for hammers and check what the price did after. It was noted that after a hammer candlestick, the price has around a 50% chance of going up by x ticks or down by x ticks.

I could be wrong though.

Hi Remiraz,

Your still not providing any useful info about what type of Hammers you were looking at nor any specific rules for those particular type of Hammers Patterns.

That's ok.

Thus, there's no way to tell if you could be wrong or right.

Was just hoping you could share more info that could be useful to those reading your statements so that they'll have some insights into what specific Hammer patterns gave you the problems you said had no edge...

Going beyond the it doesn't work or no edge statements.

Take care...gotta prepare another chart to post that someone sent me and had a question about.

NihabaAshi
 
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[BI'll tell you my trigger price for one particular trading instrument...

ES is +1 point.

Thus, as soon as ES goes my way after entry by +1 point...

I go to breakeven.

[NihabaAshi [/B]

One man's feast is another man's famine.

I love tight stops and moving the stop to breakeven asap. However, if I did this when only +1 point I would get stopped out of so many good trades. Yesterday was a prime example, had a nice trade of +2.5, but if I had a +1 point stop to breakeven would have been stopped out on the low tick of the move.

Still, good luck to you as it is successful for you!
 
Quote from NihabaAshi:

Not sure if you've read this entire thread (highly recommended) to ensure you don't miss any important info by me or others...

Then print out anything you think is useful.

When you do...you'll see that I'll talk in-depth about three particular Hammer Patterns and their respected sub-groups and some aspects of the trade management (stuff after the pattern signal).

Trade management is a huge area of discussion for me and I'm unwilling to go into such in this thread (in-depth).

I'll only mention a few things (hints) about such.

Thus, as mentioned already...

My initial stop/loss protection is based upon the price action that occurred prior to the Hammer Line and/or the price action within the Hammer Line itself.

However, here's something you really need to think about...

Placing your stop at/near the low of the Hammer Line is what I call a logicial stop...

A spot that most traders are aware there's a lot of stops in that area.

Another way of looking at it...its like putting a bullseye sign on your chest.

An area that's very susceptible to running the stops or pick pocketing before prices rebound and move upwards or before the appearence of another trade signal soon after getting stopped out for a loss.

My initial stop is outside that logical area and allows for me to be in a position to manage my contingency plans more efficiently especially when such appears prior to a stop being hit.

NihabaAshi

I agree it is sensible not to have a hard stop at the logical price area. However, another way of approaching this is to have a mental stop at the logical price area and see how the candles are reacting to that initial price penetration before closing the position. I find this works well for me . Could be a compromise between having a hard stop at the logical price area and having a hard stop significantly below the logical price area.
 
Quote from LondonUSTrader:

One man's feast is another man's famine.

I love tight stops and moving the stop to breakeven asap. However, if I did this when only +1 point I would get stopped out of so many good trades. Yesterday was a prime example, had a nice trade of +2.5, but if I had a +1 point stop to breakeven would have been stopped out on the low tick of the move.

Still, good luck to you as it is successful for you!

Hi LondonUSTrader,

Was that a Hammer Pattern trade ???

Also, you gotta realize that upon my entry into the trade...

My initial stop/loss protection is actually a very wide stop.

Then as the trade moves my way...

It gets re-adjusted to a breakeven trailing stop (tight stop)...usually with no further adjustments.

Then as the trade continues moving in my favor...

That once wide stop that became a tight stop...

Is now a wide stop again. :cool:

If it retraces and takes me out at breakeven before any WRB pt levels are reached...

Sometimes I get a re-entry signal at a lower price if it decides to reverse its direction and move back upwards.

The times I don't get a re-entry signal...

No biggie...there's always the next trade to look forward to.

NihabaAshi
 
Quote from LondonUSTrader:

I agree it is sensible not to have a hard stop at the logical price area. However, another way of approaching this is to have a mental stop at the logical price area and see how the candles are reacting to that initial price penetration before closing the position. I find this works well for me . Could be a compromise between having a hard stop at the logical price area and having a hard stop significantly below the logical price area.

Nice Suggestion,

Someone in the past here at ET (a few years ago) made a similar suggestion.

I use it sometimes and it works well.

A mental stop in that Logical stop area.

My hard stop is further away and based upon the current price action.

Takes a little practice to get use to.

NihabaAshi
 
September 8th Thursday

CME EuroFX - EC

Bearish Dark Inverted Hammer Pattern
Sub-group: reversal signal
Chart Interval: 60min

This pattern signal actually appeared on September 5th Monday.

The original chart was from a trader in Germany and I decided to use my own chart because I can put more info on it to answer his questions.

In the chart...there's that critical White WRB...it's an explosive price movement and usually sets up the appearence of a pattern signal (reversal or continuation).

In this particular price action...it set up a Bearish Dark Inverted Hammer reversal signal.

NihabaAshi
 

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hi NihabaAshi

Is this a valid bullish dark hammer setup?

For bullish dark hammer, must its LS be longer than body and LS of any candles between the WRB and itself ?

I noticed for the Bullish dark hammers that you posted so far, Body of the Bullish Dark Hammer pattern is engulfed by the white line that showed up in the interval after the Hammer Line.
Is this a must ?
Because somewhere you said
"Dark Hammer lines are usually dependent upon the price action before and after its formation to determine if it traverses into a confirmed pattern"
Usually meaning is not a must right?

thanks
 

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