Trading for a Living: Present & Future

Quote from xBoba:

There is no steady stream of income in trading, and there's too many uncertainties. If, for example, a person trades for a few years and decides to take a break in order to go back into the labor market, his skills have no doubt become rusty. Comparing himself with other job candidates alike, he certainly won't have the competitive edge the employer is looking for.

Trading for a living is basically like selling one's soul to the devil. But then again, those that trade for a living probably have their money diversified into other types of investments. Sorta answered my own question here haha

Sounds like "Trading for Living" is not for you. If you are not entrepreneurial, willing to take a risk for a reward then why bother all you will do is stress yourself out, lose your hard earned money and end up with a bad experience. Beyond financial there are quality of life rewards that come with trading eg you are location independent, out on the West Coast markets close by 1:00 pm, Hawaii even earlier.
Questions you are asking imply you are looking to be convinced, if you were passionate about trading, you would be convincing the nay sayers around you.
You are right given the state of the economy employers are looking for people with current work experiences, not someone who has been out of the employment pool a year, two or three and given the credit crisis, market fragmentation, central bank interventions and HFTs future promises to be even more uncertain for traders.
 
Quote from xBoba:

How many of you guys here trade for a living? Just wondering what made you choose to make this your 9-5 job as opposed to having an actual job and swing trading on the side? And more importantly, what do you have laid out for you for the future? Do you plan on trading for the rest of your life? Do you have a plan B in case trading fails? There is no job promotions as a trader and writing "Day trader" as your past occupations in a job resume certainly won't give you any brownie points unless you're applying for an Investment company or something...

Trading for a living seems like a very risky "job" to take on. For one, cash inflow is extremely unstable and you could go broke in a matter of minutes. For the other, it seems like you're wasting your life in the sense that you're not really gaining any real skills/putting your skills to work like in a 9-5 job.

I'd just like to understand the mentality of those that trade for a living. What if one day you were wiped out completely. What is YOUR Plan B, then?

Those of us who are trading for a living are...trading for a living. One of my friends makes her living teaching, another makes his living doing yard work, another makes her living running a small retail business, another makes his living working at Wal-Mart. What's the difference how you make a living when there's no certainty in life except for the knowledge that our lives in these bodies will end after several decades, best case.

I'm not sure why you think the cash flow is unstable. My decision to trade for living was based on a plan that provided a stable minimum cash flow, a minimum that has quite a bit of cushion in case there's a dry spell in the market environment.

Also perplexed by how you could go broke in a matter of minutes? My trading account is but a fraction of total liquid capital and I'm pretty sure brokers liquidate positions rather quickly if an unrealized loss reaches a level that violates margin requirements.

My plan B: There's a Wal-Mart nearby that seems to be hiring regularly :D
 
Quote from xBoba:

How many of you guys here trade for a living? Just wondering what made you choose to make this your 9-5 job as opposed to having an actual job and swing trading on the side?

My commisions were exceeding my salary.

And more importantly, what do you have laid out for you for the future?

Freedom.

Do you plan on trading for the rest of your life?

By definition, trading is NOT a full time job. Surplus capital is used to help others locally or otherwise. It is just case of taking it away from the 1%'ers and not becoming a 1%'er because of the stigma of being a 1%'er.


Do you have a plan B in case trading fails?

You are correct for yourself. you will move to your plan B in a short while.

There is no job promotions as a trader and writing "Day trader" as your past occupations in a job resume certainly won't give you any brownie points unless you're applying for an Investment company or something...

Learning failure repeatedly is what happens to most. A subset is not being a successful invent and not being a successful copycat. Also your CV is permanently damaged.
By listing "successful part time trader" you peak the curiousity of potential employers or those you meet at cocktail parties. A lot of employees in the financial industry work full time. My avocation as a part timer is their vocation. Don't spent too much time talking with such, since they will become stalkers.


Trading for a living seems like a very risky "job" to take on.

You are telling ET you can't trade.

For one, cash inflow is extremely unstable and you could go broke in a matter of minutes.

You are telling ET you can't trade.

For the other, it seems like you're wasting your life in the sense that you're not really gaining any real skills/putting your skills to work like in a 9-5 job.

You are telling ET you can't trade.

I'd just like to understand the mentality of those that trade for a living. What if one day you were wiped out completely. What is YOUR Plan B, then?

Trading Is in an econometric framework. We are in a severe Depression and a Cliff is currently scheduled. Read the leading political and economic authors.

Expect free falling markets and cascading of accounts of others.

Stops do not work for any sizable account and no one uses them. Stops are a form of order that becomes a market order at the end of the line.

Real estate is permanently wrecked by market instruments; the 401 incentive created by government no longer works. We no longer have a "full employment economy". Railroads have reched their shipping capacity so manufacturing is becoming less and less effeicient.

All that the future holds is a declining life style requirement and the need to figure out how to while away the avaialbe additional time. Our family has chosen to change the scenery occasionally since trading part time can be done anywhere.
 
plan b, if you are a gambler you will always come up with another stash, even if it means you have to get a job for a while
 
Quote from jack hershey:
We are in a severe Depression and a Cliff is currently scheduled.

Any chance Jack of sharing with us a chart of the moves, and the approximate timing, of the cliff currently scheduled? As I recall, you shared a similar chart of the anticipated moves a few years that was uncannily accurate.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever see the "point 3" of what you've referred to as a depression channel and instead we see new highs (since point 1) that would preclude one from drawing a downward sloping channel at this time. When do you anticipate this cliff?

-river
 
Trading for a living, as in paying the bills, is not even half the battle. Someone who truly trades for a living is ever mineful of a future retirement and at least for me, continually building up my IRAs through trading is an integral part of the game. And after all, the greatest wealth creating tool is the tax free compounding of your capital over time. It always boggles my mind how few traders have even set up a retirement account to trade.
 
Quote from 007Arb:

Trading for a living, as in paying the bills, is not even half the battle. Someone who truly trades for a living is ever mineful of a future retirement and at least for me, continually building up my IRAs through trading is an integral part of the game. And after all, the greatest wealth creating tool is the tax free compounding of your capital over time. It always boggles my mind how few traders have even set up a retirement account to trade.
how do you qualify for an IRA?

Don't you need earned income?

All I have is cap gains int and div
 
Quote from oldtime:

how do you qualify for an IRA?

Don't you need earned income?

All I have is cap gains int and div

Good point. My IRAs were established when I was a part time trader long ago and had earned income from other sources. I assume though if you claimed trader status that would give you income that could be used for an IRA. But I also assume in that case you would be liable for paying self employment taxes (social security) on those earnings which can be onerous.
 
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