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Quote from silk:

Care to share how much money you have made trading this system day in and day out?

I myself am guilty in the past of creating systems that i thought were unbeatable, but then they didn't hold up. Also easy to t pull up a chart and find a system that would have made money for that particular chart. But when you start applying in day in and day out it don't hold up.
A valuable lesson.

nitro
 
Quote from traderkay:

Ditch, the devil is in the details (discretion). The way you bail before your stop is hit, the way you require more confirmation on some signals and not others, the way you take some signals and not others, the way you move your stop to break-even. All that makes the difference. People reading this setup wouldn't know how you do the things above. The point is.. if this had no discretion involved, yes a 12 year old could do it. But the way it is now.. no. If you really wanna help some people, start a journal with everyday chart examples of the trades and Q&A. Then the *might* be able to grasp "the rest of the story" (discretionary). And finally, trading is not easy, would you share how long it took you discover that trading was easy? I rest my case:)

Succesful trading requires 3 things imo: an edge, experience and conviction to execute it. What you call discretion is experience and conviction. These can only be obtained through practice. The setup is valid is however. as for your last question it took me about 9 months of full-time trading to get an reasonable level of experience and conviction.
 
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A valuable lesson.

nitro
and I've got a million of them. But after a while they form a sort of strategy bag. And it's been home home on the range trading now for quite some time. And a sustained range is a trend.
 
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Ditch, This is about all I trade. I have 3 setups in the system. You will lose money over time using fixed stops or targets. You gotta make that move from channel to channel pay. It takes a lot of faith sometimes. The stops will kill you.

The biggest long term problem is getting caught in the wrong side of a full blown breakout. bone nailed it. A fundamental shift breaks down the system. If you have your wits about you, you can flip and reverse, but it usually just about pays for the nervous breakdown.

question: I'm just using fast ma and slow ma and slope to determine trend. How exactly do you use stoch to determine trend?

As far as easy money goes, from my statistics, the difference is in the trades that set up and for some reason I don't take them. Those would have been profitable about 50% of the time. And the ones I take hit everytime there isn't a breakout to the opposite side.

My best trade only sets up once a day on average on the 5 min chart for es. Usually after 11:30 est.

tell me more about using those stochs please. Also RSI anybody.

The settings of the stoch is 7,4,10 Tou can use the slow stoch as your trend indicator, if it is above 50: long, below 50: short. Compare it to a MACD -setting of 3,10,16 (SMA) you will notice the similarities and differences.
 

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how is this not a mechanical system ? If you trade from channel to channel.
Maybe it's semantics. I know this, if you add up all the moves on one side after time irregardless of entry, they usually come out to zero minus the spread and commissions.

And that's all I'm looking for, something that will give me a fair 50/50 chance. The entry supposedly gives me the edge, and it's not mechanical because sometimes I pass on the entry.

But to skip to the chase, the money management part is not being shaken out till you hit the other channel. And that my friend is very mechanical, because my discretionary emotions are a basket case by the time I get there, and from the first tick against me they are reminding me about all the times the sky has fallen.
 
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Ditch, how much discretion is used with your trade setup?

I mean is this...out of every 10 signals...how many trades do you not take because of some intuition or for whatever reason?

Do you have problems with your trade setup in trending environments...meaning within pullbacks from a parabolic price surge?

Also...I apologize for my own earlier comments that may have helped this thread get off course...

keep posting and I like how you use Bollinger Bands with Stochastics...I use them together also...some good stuff there when used in combo.

In strong trends this doesn't work to well of course, as i exit at 2 pts target. IMO the ES chops most of the time so that's why i chose to exit at a fixed target. In certain situations i try not to do that, i.e. after a news release and during the last half hour of trading, because of the tendency for continued moves.As for discretion, i watch certain things i.e. if the prior move was more than 4 pts the retracement will go through the donchian channel. so i don't enter on the touch, during chop retracements tend to be 1.5 to 2 pts, so i use that as an orientation for an entry point. another thing i watch is the spread of the stoch and i look if the donchian channel stays flat after it has been broken. But i guess when you practice this setup someone develops his own "discretions". Right now i have very few losers of more than 2 ticks. If i enter at the touch of the BB/dc and price breaks it immediately my entry point wasn't good, i then try to exit at BE at once. This causes me to miss a good trade now and then but i don't care about that. hope this clarifies some



Take care Ditch.

NihabaAshi
 
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The settings of the stoch is 7,4,10 Tou can use the slow stoch as your trend indicator, if it is above 50: long, below 50: short. Compare it to a MACD -setting of 3,10,16 (SMA) you will notice the similarities and differences.

wrong settings in the chart, this one is correct
 

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Something about my motives and sources. yes, this setup isn't the holy grail. there is none. Some posters say discretion determines profitibilaty. Unless you're trading purely mechanical , all trading does. Discretion comes with experience. when i started using this setup the best i did was BE, most of the time i lost, right now the pts start coming in. When i'm consistent enough i'll probably start a journal to shut up those who are so damned sure that 10 pts a day can't be done. the setup itself was developed by Jimmer and Buffy of www.dacharts.com
there's nothing secret about it. ist also has been documented by Linda raschke before them. I posted it because i benefited of the work of the former people. they were kind enough to share it. just wanted to return the favor, so to speak. a pitty that some people feel greatly offended by it.
 
Ditch,
while it is very kind of you to share your system, you are putting beginners at risk of great loss with your system, which is what I condemn. Trading is not easy and it is not a game.
While u may be doing 10 points profit a day on average (which i sincerely doubt), you are an experienced trader with multiple filters in place (discretionary filters). These filters can save you from some downside I guess, but most traders will get burnt trading your system if they do it like a 12 year old.
I guess the title begs criticisms, that is all.
Otherwise, have fun trading ;)
 
Quote from swoop[TR]:

Ditch,
while it is very kind of you to share your system, you are putting beginners at risk of great loss with your system, which is what I condemn. Trading is not easy and it is not a game.
While u may be doing 10 points profit a day on average (which i sincerely doubt), you are an experienced trader with multiple filters in place (discretionary filters). These filters can save you from some downside I guess, but most traders will get burnt trading your system if they do it like a 12 year old.
I guess the title begs criticisms, that is all.
Otherwise, have fun trading ;)

you're right, i should have chosen another title. But bear in mind through this medium you can do nothing more than hand a setup. Beginners are likely to loose with everything. the trader's edge is for 90% determined by his own mind. I urge people to study this setup and learn to recognize its finesses. When they do, they will come out ahead. I know for sure that this setup is EASY to learn. How fast it will turn in to profit depends on the trader's conviction and experience. It got me to being profitable within a year. And why do you doubt that i can average 10 pts a day with this?
 
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