Trading and the love of God

[stu]

Quote from jem:
I do not know where heck you guys get your definitions for common law, but common law was started in England and still evolving today. It is laws made by judges not the legislature. Case law -- not law derived by statutes.

But I will go with the department of justice website and my law school training.

"common law: The legal system that originated in England and is now in use in the United States. It is based on judicial decisions rather than legislative action."

Jefferson's definition was far too narrow and if you read it in the context I read those quotes in - (on the internet) it can be seen he was advancing an argument not claiming to be correct.

Whether common law started before Christianity hit England is irrelevant. The question is did the judges appeal to christian principles when they made decisions.

I have already provided that answer to the STU many times. The fact that I repeat the truth does not make it less true, even if it is boring to you.

Stu is the guy who will not accept the dictionaries definition of atheism, and on this subject his does not accept the authority of the U.S. Supreme court to determine U.S. law.

But let me remind you when the U.S. Supreme court declared we are a Christian Nation - they gave numerous reasons. The U.S. Supreme court reviewed common law and state constitutions.

Stu do you think business common law developed in a vacuum outside of the concepts and fundamentals of christianity. Do you not fathom that for the first 150 years the U.S. was a very religions country. We used to teach religion in our public schools. Do you think Christianity stopped at the chruch steps and then all of sudden a ruling class of atheists took over and evolved the country?

would'nt you (haven't you) been telling me that the church caused gallieo to be locked up for his beliefs and that witches were burned and every other evil you can think of.

Shit you guys have to pick your poison.

Either the church and christianity were highly influential or they were not.
But please stop trying to rewrite history in an inconsistent manner. Especially when you are pulling arguments out your ass.

I think one reason why you always make so many ridiculous comments, claims and assertions, is that you don't, can't or won't read properly.
Either that or you are so busy trying to spin for christianity, your comprehension on what it is that's actually being said, is totally dog's dinner dysfunctional.

To show what I mean, just take one example from the many above. Look at this....

Quote from jem:
Whether common law started before Christianity hit England is irrelevant.

It is a fact there was NO Christianity anywhere when in Pagan times, Common Law existed .
The Anglo-Saxons' introduction of Common Law was hundreds of years prior to any mention of Christ or Christians anywhere in the world.

It has nothing to do with christianity 'hitting England'. There was no christianity - period.
Yet Common Law existed.

So you have either a wrong understanding or you are content to be dishonest in extrapolating christianity as part of Common Law.

Christianity is a rehashed version of God. It was invented that more humanistic values might appear than are presented by the psychotic, megalomaniacal, mass murdering God of the old testament.

Common Law existed BEFORE christianity. Common Law was adopted to allow more humanistic values to apply.

The common denominator here is Humanistic values.
It is that therefore which has most influence. More than christian, business, commerce or the need to deal with larceny, which all influence law to one degree or another but part of Common Law cannnot be christianity..

What INFLUENCES law is a separate issue. What Common Law is based on, what its fundamentals are, has no basis in christianity. It can't have. There was no christianity around anywhere when Common Law and those fundamentals existed. The same fundamentals of Common Law exist now.

Right. Can you deal with that or not?
On this fact, can you put your heavy christian skew to one side for one moment - or not?
My guess is..

Not.
And that is another reason I think why you do not comprehend. And personally just one of many reasons why I would also think, if you were a lawyer, you'd be a damned crappy one.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

Do you not fathom that for the first 150 years the U.S. was a very religions country. We used to teach religion in our public schools. Do you think Christianity stopped at the chruch steps and then all of sudden a ruling class of atheists took over and evolved the country?




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in the end it matters not what people used to believe. we have been enlightened. we now know that there is nothing up there. christianity is nothing more than primitive superstition. its time to move on and relegate christianity to the trash can of history along with zues and all the other gods people used to believe in.

 

[seneca_roman]

It's interesting to note that for the first 150 years more or less of the USA, that either slavery or segregation was normal and that didn't make it right.

And speaking of slavery, I like to quote from the Bible that I assume is the basis of Christian Law:

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way."
(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment."

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Selling your daughter to be a sex slave???? WOW, who would have thought that was part of the Christian
Way.

Seneca

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from vhehn:

in the end it matters not what people used to believe. we have been enlightened...

Indeed. Unfortunately, however, it came a litttle late for the "witches" in Salem. On the plus side, they were burned to death in the name of a merciful God for consorting with Satan. Perhaps that gave their "immortal souls" some consolation, eh?

 

[seneca_roman]

Christian Law from the big guy himself as revealed in Luke:

Jesus said:

"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."
(Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

I assume since the MAN GOD said this there is no way that it is not Christian Law as it seems what Jesus says is LAW.

Seneca

 

[seneca_roman]

Conversations from the front:

A few weeks back had dinner with a friend who brought along a friend (FoF).

The discussion turned to schools, then to what was wrong with schools then to why don't we teach Creationism in school instead of Evolution.

I said Creationism is not science and that teaching it would be like substituting astrology for astronomy..

FoF said , " what is wrong with that?"

Beware!! when these wingnuts get elected.

Seneca

 

[I am...]

Quote from seneca_roman:

Christian Law from the big guy himself as revealed in Luke:

Jesus said:

"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."
(Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

I assume since the MAN GOD said this there is no way that it is not Christian Law as it seems what Jesus says is LAW.

Seneca

Nice try.

This is Luke, a contemporary and compatriot with Paul. This is Paul's theology. What else do you think would motivate a confused man to spend all his time sowing seeds of confusion all around the Mediteranean?

If you consider yourself enlightened, how hard would it be to "get it" that I did not write the New Testament? The term "man god" is an oxymoron. God cannot become flesh. Flesh is a concept antithetical to everything that is God. Flesh is the epitome of confusion, evidencing an extremely confused mind. Should we expect flesh to say anything that makes any sense whatsoever?

You really don't understand man's inherent disregard for anything that is true. If it isn't actually nailed down, men will lift anything that isn't copywrited, and anything that is...and turn it to their own agenda.

What is truer is if you give what truth you have in your awareness, you will be given more...to your awareness. If you do not give truth, you will not recieve any. To "live" without truth is it's own worst punishment. It is not really "life" at all.

Jesus

 

[I am...]

Quote from stu:

Common Law existed BEFORE christianity. Common Law was adopted to allow more humanistic values to apply.

We got Christmas, we got Easter, we almost got Halloween...we were hoping to get Common Law too!

The drama unfolding is that there is an agenda to become a kind of Universal Teamsters Union relative to misinterpretations about what I said and meant. In my name, an organized collective has deemed to position itself as champion of the common man. Jem pays his dues to this world-wide union. So he supports it, regardless it makes no sense. Universal sectarianism is an oxymoron, like "military intelligence". If judges can be influenced by this, they can be influenced by country western music too.

Human values are not Spirit values. Spirit values define authentic Christianity. Spirit does not value flesh except to bring to your attention what is foremost on your mind...foremost among your values. As you observe your values, you bring them to "light", where the valuelessness of them can be "seen". This is part of a curriculum that ultimately observes that flesh has no value because it is absolutely nothing.

Paradoxically, this is the best defense you can afford flesh. That is, to value human flesh in any way whatsoever puts it in harms way because the psychotic purpose of flesh is to inflict and recieve harm. That is, to consider flesh to be *something* is to subject it to attack. To consider it *nothing* is to cease and desist from attack scenarios and manifest invulnerability instead.

Jesus

 

[seneca_roman]

Quote from I am...:

Nice try.

This is Luke, a contemporary and compatriot with Paul. This is Paul's theology. What else do you think would motivate a confused man to spend all his time sowing seeds of confusion all around the Mediteranean?

If you consider yourself enlightened, how hard would it be to "get it" that I did not write the New Testament? The term "man god" is an oxymoron. God cannot become flesh. Flesh is a concept antithetical to everything that is God. Flesh is the epitome of confusion, evidencing an extremely confused mind. Should we expect flesh to say anything that makes any sense whatsoever?

You really don't understand man's inherent disregard for anything that is true. If it isn't actually nailed down, men will lift anything that isn't copywrited, and anything that is...and turn it to their own agenda.

What is truer is if you give what truth you have in your awareness, you will be given more...to your awareness. If you do not give truth, you will not recieve any. To "live" without truth is it's own worst punishment. It is not really "life" at all.

Jesus

So you are saying words from the Bible are not true?

I thought it was inspired by God and inerrant, except of course the parts that are wrong.

How is man god an oxymoron as Jesus was both son of man and son of God?

1 Timothy 2:5 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV):


5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

seems like that makes J. a man.

and Christianity is based on Jesus being
God.

Seneca


more inspiring words from the Bible, source of Christianity:


"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9

 

[I am...]

Quote from seneca_roman:

So you are saying words from the Bible are not true?

I thought it was inspired by God and inerrant, except of course the parts that are wrong.

How is man god an oxymoron as Jesus was both son of man and son of God?

1 Timothy 2:5 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV):


5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

seems like that makes J. a man.

and Christianity is based on Jesus being
God.

Seneca


more inspiring words from the Bible, source of Christianity:


"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9

I'm saying that the very first sentence in the bible is not true. So what comes of the rest? It is a confused and confusing collective blog in support of madness. It is valued by those who value myth and madness. It is wheat and tares, growing together, hardly distinguishable from one another. It is sheeps and goats, each looking the same to the unlearned. It is symbols, otherwise meaningless. The symbols point to truth or support the lie. I am quoted in the bible only as it supports the madness of a compromised agenda. Not everything quoted into my mouth came out of my mouth, or was meant the way it is made to sound. Man speaks with a forked tongue, stumbling upon the truth by accident, not even knowing what it is he says. I interpret what man says, converting nonsense to symbols that point to truth by means of parables. Otherwise, the bible is the excrement of an idol, man's maker, in support of the idol, and therefore in support of man's existence. Attack maintains man's existence and therefore the books contain many detailed accounts of attack.

The bible is an iteration of a kabbala that is still in development. A kabbala is simply the latest, best, most believable bullshit regarding the genesis of this world and where man fits into it and how he improves his lot. A kabbala is pretty much a magical grimoire, spelling out how to gain power for further nonsense in the ways of madness. It is indeed inspired, but not by our Father, and not by the Holy Spirit. The idol it supports inspires it, and backs it up as best it can with out-of-pattern phenomena. The "holy" bible subverts holiness, making the unholy a creation of "God". It mocks God by replacing God with a moron and it's blasphemous "creation", while shifting blame onto it's minions [man] for the most obvious aspects of it's blundering imperfections. It is a grimoire of some of the blackest magic ever imagined. It is an illusion which misdirects the reader's attention to the left hand, while the right hand hides the facts.

You must choose between the concept of "son-of-man" or the reality of Son of God. Therefore, if you would choose the latter, "call no man father". The god-of-this-world is man's "father". Therefore, do not call the god-of-this-world "father" either. Man's father, and *our Father* are not the same. These are incompatible and cannot coexist. One is an appearance...an illusion. The other is a reality which the illusion seeks to subvert by it's apparent existence. It is impossible that God be limited, or make anything that is limited. To do so would not be loving. It is loving, however, to communicate to the self-limited via the only channels they recognize: eyes, ears, reason, parables, stories, truth, miracles...etc. Therefore, the only purpose of appearing as a body is to tell other bodies that they are not bodies. When this is done correctly, the body manifests attributes of the truth. Since the truth can never be destroyed, so too the body of a truth-teller cannot be destroyed. That is the lesson of the resurrection.

There is only one mediator between the truth and illusions of truth: The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit communicates the memory of reality [Christ] to the unreal [man]. If man listens, he will understand that he is not real except as Christ [reality].

I, Jesus, am the first to come to this understanding. So the term "Christ" is associated with me. But my truth is everyone's truth. All are Christ [one], masquerading as man [many], rendering Self-recognition well-nigh impossible. I, Jesus, am a symbol of one who wakes up to reality from a deep, deep sleep. Understand that "Jesus" was "saved" by the Holy Spirit, who is the mediator between the world of knowledge [certainty] and the illusive worlds of perception [doubt]. Upon a three-year public path, I layed down the unreal self-concept of "Jesus" the "son of man", and instead identified with the Holy Spirit, who represents Reality in this unreal world. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is the savior, the Son of God who came down from heaven to save man from himself. I came to "accept" the truth about myself, just as everyone must "accept Christ" into "his heart". Therefore, I identified with Christ, meaning, Christ is really who I am. I am Christ, I am Spirit, I am Reality, I am the Kingdom of God, I am the Son of God. These all say the same thing. If you would "follow" me, you will follow these steps exactly. There is no compromise in this matter. I am, symbolically, "the way". It is the way out of an illusive labyrinth in which there is no truth whatsoever...back to the clarity of reality which is "home" to all. No one goes "home" but "through" Christ, that is, through the reality of who they really are. Only the Son of God abides in heaven. There is nothing but the Son of God [Christ] in heaven. This is God's true creation. It is His only creation. This is you. If you do not believe me, then what you think you are will not enter into my Father's kingdom, because it supports only reality, while this world supports only unreality.

I, Jesus, was a teacher who taught as he learned from the master Teacher himself. This is the "Holy Spirit". I taught by comparisons drawn between the real and the unreal so that men could make a choice between them. A comparison is a parable. I also taught by parody, that is, through actions. The crucifixion-resurrection sequence was a parody of man's genesis, his existence, and his destiny. It is a rich, multilayered teaching mechanism which draws attention, and if interpreted correctly, inserts truth where there was confusion. The truth will set you free.


Jesus