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Sounds a lot like the force. Does it involve midichloreans in any way? Is there a dark side?

Seriously, don't mean to be sarcastic... but we're getting into L. Ron Hubbard territory here. I suspect you're just having a bit of fun. Maybe it was obvious the whole time and I'm a dullard for missing it.
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I am having a bit of fun. But I do mean to be describing reality.

If Hubbards work corroborates any of this, that would be interesting and perhaps beneficial. Each person has some truth to offer the world, imo, because each person has a unique viewpoint of reality as a unique being. But I'm not up to speed on Hubbards work. I did know a someone who did a session to "get clear" in the scientology tradition...and had an amazing experience to report. It was like he was transported out of his body into pure consciousness with a viewpoint of all existence....er, something like that.

I would like to emphasize love as a very scientific principle. For example:

If we were to think about love scientifically, think of it as a reversal transference - a point of function where two complimentary forces, in the presense of a third stabilizing factor, exchange modes, and one becomes the other. This is primary magnetism and compression. It is an ongoing function among all primary particles and energies. In organic life, DNA is constructed to conduct this complex and mysterious function. This is also the mystery of paradox that precedes, supercedes, exceeds and reconciles all patterns of structure into simple fluidity.

So yes, love would be like "The Force", even though it is a paradox of force and non-force. All of our current technologies are force based. This new technology will be non-force based with love as the cause of action. Life will be seen as love in action. And love has no opposites, so there is no dark side, at least none that has any significant power. Love is where the power is at. Love reconciles all polarities and dualities. There can only be a denial of love, with consequent effects that go along with that. A denial can proceed along a continuum, and create quite a labyrinth in finding one's way back. It helps to know that whereever we are, we ARE love. We are love in the middle of a sea of self aware energy ...that we could use anytime, if only we were self-aware that we are LOVE, equiped with the on-board technology to move it.

JohnnyK
 
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But I'm not up to speed on Hubbards work. I did know a someone who did a session to "get clear" in the scientology tradition...and had an amazing experience to report. It was like he was transported out of his body into pure consciousness with a viewpoint of all existence....er, something like that.
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Quick refresher course: http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/02/great-scientology-secret.html

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I would like to emphasize love as a very scientific principle. For example:
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As for love as a scientific principle, I'll resist the urge to quote eighties songs... let's just say the annals of science are a little light in this area.
 
I see someone killing an innocent person. What do I do? Do I (a) Wring my hands and leave them alone? or (b) make an effort to put the crime to a stop which could result in harm to me or (c) put to bear a collection of superior resources and stop the crime.

From your citation, apparently the Catholic Church picked choice (a). Although at that time the Church had the "moral" authority and the resources to bear against Spain and choose choice (c), the Church chose not to. Therefore your citation either condemns the Catholic Church because of its inaction to (i) Cowardice, or condemns the catholic church to, (ii) complicity in these crimes because the Church itself was a political organization and needed to further its political ambitions. This complicity later to be historically revised and expunged by the very powerful Church.


As with all revisionists, you chose to post information that takes the base argument off to a tangential culprit. To absolve the criminal involvement of the Church in these crimes is a crime against humanity itself. Here is more from Wikipedia:

The Inquisition was an institution within the Roman Catholic Church, charged with the eradication of heresy, sometimes by violent means.

Heresies (from Greek haeresis, sect, school of belief) were a problem to the Church and the Faith. Biblical lore Acts 15 recounts the convening of a council in Jerusalem to deal with the heresy of the Judaizers, who had contended with the Jerusalem faction in Asia and especially Galatia. In the subsequent centuries there were the Arians and Manicheans; in the Middle Ages there were the Cathari and Waldenses; and in the Renaissance there were the Hussites, Lutherans, Calvinists, and Rosicrucians. Efforts to suppress heresies were initially ad hoc, but in the Middle Ages a permanent structure came into being to combat heresies. The Church deemed it according to the public good to remove these heretics from the public, or at least to correct them , as the Church held that the eternal good of one's soul depends on it's adherence to the teachings of the Magisterium of the Church. Although it was originally the state who began the reprimanding of heretics, it eventually fell in the hands of the Church in the late middle ages. Citations follow.

This guy has an extensive website detailing various aspects of war crimes and the means of torture that the Catholic Church was complicit in. http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1676.cfm

In the middle ages, "Heretics" were mercilessly tortured and murdered during the Inquisition. Although the church has softened its attitude toward non-Catholic beliefs in more recent times, the distrust and dislike of intellectual and religious freedom continued. As recently as 1888, Pope Leo XIII declared, "it is quite unlawful to demand, to defend, or to grant unconditional freedom of thought, of speech, or writing, or of worship, as if these were so many rights given by nature to man. For, if nature had really granted them, it would be lawful to refuse obedience to God."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/l...ments/hf_l-xiii_enc_20061888_libertas_en.html

In other words, do what we tell you to do. You are not allowed to think. I find that interesting since God created man with free-will. Therefore God intended man to question and arrive to logical conclusions as to the nature of his existence. With the above doctrine, the church inherently goes against the very construct of Gods intention for man.


Arguing Church criminality with a Fundamentalist Catholic cultist is like arguing the Bastardization of the Islamic religion with a Fundamentalist rag head. One can point out endless inconsistencies in their faulty religion and yet they will cling to their beliefs like a infant clings to its mothers tits. This will be my last comment on this issue as there is preponderous and over-whelming historical evidence online and elsewhere regarding the Catholic Churches complicity in mass murder and genocide against non-catholics.
 
The core essence of Jesus' teachings was love for other creations and a respect and love for the creator. Everything else is an extrapolation from this basic premise.

What we currently read in organized religious texts is political nonesense written by illiterates of their times. The purpose of these writings were to further the political gains of the patron King financing the religion at the time. It is interesting to note that as civilization progresses and the human intellect develops, less saints and prophets abound.





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I am having a bit of fun. But I do mean to be describing reality.

If Hubbards work corroborates any of this, that would be interesting and perhaps beneficial. Each person has some truth to offer the world, imo, because each person has a unique viewpoint of reality as a unique being. But I'm not up to speed on Hubbards work. I did know a someone who did a session to "get clear" in the scientology tradition...and had an amazing experience to report. It was like he was transported out of his body into pure consciousness with a viewpoint of all existence....er, something like that.

I would like to emphasize love as a very scientific principle. For example:

If we were to think about love scientifically, think of it as a reversal transference - a point of function where two complimentary forces, in the presense of a third stabilizing factor, exchange modes, and one becomes the other. This is primary magnetism and compression. It is an ongoing function among all primary particles and energies. In organic life, DNA is constructed to conduct this complex and mysterious function. This is also the mystery of paradox that precedes, supercedes, exceeds and reconciles all patterns of structure into simple fluidity.

So yes, love would be like "The Force", even though it is a paradox of force and non-force. All of our current technologies are force based. This new technology will be non-force based with love as the cause of action. Life will be seen as love in action. And love has no opposites, so there is no dark side, at least none that has any significant power. Love is where the power is at. Love reconciles all polarities and dualities. There can only be a denial of love, with consequent effects that go along with that. A denial can proceed along a continuum, and create quite a labyrinth in finding one's way back. It helps to know that whereever we are, we ARE love. We are love in the middle of a sea of self aware energy ...that we could use anytime, if only we were self-aware that we are LOVE, equiped with the on-board technology to move it.

JohnnyK
 
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The core essence of Jesus' teachings was love for other creations and a respect and love for the creator. Everything else is an extrapolation from this basic premise.

What we currently read in organized religious texts is political nonesense written by illiterates of their times. The purpose of these writings were to further the political gains of the patron King financing the religion at the time. It is interesting to note that as civilization progresses and the human intellect develops, less saints and prophets abound.

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"It is interesting to note that as civilization progresses and the human intellect develops, less saints and prophets abound."

....but "like an infant clings to its mothers tits" , keeps just one more than necessary, and it's usually called jesus ...
 
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Quick refresher course: http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/02/great-scientology-secret.html
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The way that was presented was hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

Ok, so we are given the impression that it's possible for an evil lord to rule a galaxy, decide it is overpopulated, and force others to exit the galaxy using intergalactic technology.

So from the start, I am pessimistic about this scenario based on some principles of operation. First, let me state why it appears to be fiction.

All truly advanced technologies are based on principles of synchronicity, holistic patterning, and respect for the dynamics of life. So, for example, the idea of marauders traveling at the speed of light, simply for conquest, is pure fiction. The synchronicity required for that technology could not be derived from a consciousness based on conflict.

Within a certain limited range, force works. We can use it to go to Mars or maybe throughout the solar system, but we cant cross the galaxy with force-based aeronautical engineering which is based on force-based thinking. 98% of physical existence is space, and space does not respond to force, so we need to consider a paradigm shift away from the limitations we impose by current thinking.

Immortality is an aspect of infinity. Force has very little effect upon infinity, therefore as long as thought, science, and acts of human conduct are based on force, infinity will remain elusive. Force and density are companions in performance. Force generates the very densities that eventually baffle it's performance. This is the critical issue for planet earth at this moment, and will continue to be until force and density are no longer the language of conduct and interchange.

This is a long way of saying that anyone as "evil" as that galactic ruler in Hubbards tale, could probably not force his way out of a wet paper bag, let alone force entire beings across the galaxy in spaceships. Possibly however, the story is allegorical, like the creation story in the bible.

But Hubbards force-based high-tech story is suspicious. Entertaining intergalactic force-based scenarios does tend to reveal something about the storyteller...or the subjects of the story. Deception is just another force used by force based mentalities. So are there ET's out there intending to deceive us? Could said sources lend some high-tech truth for Mr. Hubbard to leverage? What is the nature of Hubbards truth...freeing...enslaving? Let us see.

But the fact is, we are not alone. We do have brethren across the galaxy who are evolving at their own pace. Some are ahead of us, some behind. All are far enough away to require synchronistic tech to reach us...which is is based on benevolent consciousness. You see, technology follows consciousness, NOT the other way around. Any that are able to harm us cannot reach us, and any that can reach us would not intentionally harm us.

Is that true? Are we beyond harms way? Hubbards tale suggests we are reachable by depressing forces interested in control. I have decided not to shelve this too quickly with prejudice. Instead I will try to find a way to include Hubbards view into a bigger picture. I will assume I don't really know what are the technological capabilities of negative beings who may be using knowledge in an uncompassionate, controlling, hateful, dysfunctional manner.

I will maintain that there is no "evil" as commonly preached...but that there can be an extreme denial of love by very knowledgeable entities, whose current power base may it be in our interest to estimate. I can also factor in a percentage of unintentional inaccuracies for Hubbards info...or, I can regard Hubbards info in line with the ETs who wish to enslave us with just enough fact, and just enough fiction to entrap. So far, Hubbards scenario does not synchronize with any of my sources, or resonate with me.

To begin investigation, I will just say, I don't kNOW. Hopefully we can get up to speed quickly.

JohnnyK
 
This is all well and good, im not here to say anything much, there is no particular reason anyone would listen to me.

But has anyone ever wondered, how such a remarkable coincidence may have been arrived at, that the spanish pronunciation (the most virulent pushers of the book at the time, re;1200-1850 ad)of jesus, in phonetic english, is pronounced "hey zeus"?

Is this a historical coincidence, or is there an unbroken bond to the greek gods in the modern interpretation of godly power-OR NOT?

Is it a phonetic accident, a huge coincidence, or a blatant conspiracy by the catholic church to entrap western european persons in a not so obvious web of grammatical suggestion, the precursor to modern day infomercials.............

We report, YOU decide.
(this is not sponsored by fox networks, but ill bet they wish they'd thought of it-or hap or tgregg had posted it)

:p
 
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Ok, so we are given the impression that it's possible for an evil lord to rule a galaxy, decide it is overpopulated, and force others to exit the galaxy using intergalactic technology.

So from the start, I am pessimistic about this scenario based on some principles of operation.
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Um, yeah, me too. The notion of Tom Cruise and John Travolta taking over the universe is deeply depressing. And what happens if the eternal restraint battery fails, allowing Lord Xenu to break out of his Planetary Prison? He's supposedly still alive, you know, just waiting to pull that DC-8 shit again. 75 million years is a long time to stew. Hope he at least had cable.

Going back to the love thing. I tried hard to resist the 80s temptation, but this one was too perfect. Entirely germane to the conversation, and a great song to boot.

Tears for Fears -- God's Mistake

Have a friend, calls me up
Says hello and then hangs up
He must have read my mind
These are the days of a different paradigm
Maybe once, even twice
He said "God does not play dice"
Yet if he's everywhere
He's in casinos with aces to spare

Oh, love is God's mistake
Oh, love is God's mistake (mistake)

Ours is not to reason why
As we fall from way up high
Into the water (into the water)
Like a lamb to the slaughter
Even now, God's mistake
Sets us up for one more heartbreak
God you look mighty fine
Dressed as the devil in a cosmic pantomime

Oh, love is God's mistake
Oh, love is God's mistake
Never was so much at stake
Oh, love is God's mistake
Oh, love is God's mistake
 
' Going back to the love thing. I tried hard to resist the 80s temptation, but this one was too perfect. Entirely germane to the conversation, and a great song to boot.'


Dude, they had the same parents?
The conversation, had the same roots?

To refer to a song, the overwhelming feature of, was atv's ridin around in the mohave desert-AAAAAARGH .
You BETTER have a good excuse for bringing up this traumatic imagery.
 
Continuing the investigation...


I will start off by examining evidence for benevolent ET activity...and then look at the evidence for ET activity with an agenda toward enslavement.


Recently I met the author of the book "Psychic Sasquatch" who has been communicating with these beings for 27 years now. I found him to emanate a ton of compassion, expressing alot of love for humanity and creation. His love for animal life also results in close encounters with winged creatures on a regular basis.

Per his observations, visually, telepathically, and observations of others that he has collected, the following information is coming forth.

A collaboration between the species of Sasquatch peoples and certain ET's, called "Starpeople" is close, obvious, and verifiable. Through his connections with the various Sasquatch species, including another species called "The Ancient Ones" the author has developed good relations with at least two races of Starpeoples on a limited scale that includes telepathy and a physical healing by request.

And its clear that certain ETs are working here, clandestinely, and work with the advanced surveillance capabilities of the Sasquatch to keep their operations private. The Starpeople lack a certain alertness to their surroundings when they are on foot...which is made up by the Sasquatch superior abilities with telepathy, speed, invisibility and stealth.

In exchange, the Sasquatch are taken care of in various ways, including transport to and fro, including to and from other dimensions....kind of like an intergalactic taxi. Sasquatch molecular structure is a bit different than ours.

Before I move on and talk about the UFO connection, I would like to quote the words of the Chief of the Sasquatchi peoples:
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"Hau relatives. Sasquatchian. I am Chief of Sasquatchi Peoples. I am One called Bigfoot, Yeti, Abominable Snowman. I am known to Indigenous Peoples of Mother Earth as Siha Tanka. I live within the fourth and fifth dimensional frequencies, and I sit with Star Nations in Higher Realms with the Council of 22.

I have been part of your existence beyond your Light, and beyond the beginnings of what you know as Time. I honor all Universal and Spiritual Laws of this Universe, and many that are seen and unseen, within and without. I am one with Unci Iktomi and Guatama Buddha. We are the Guardians of the Universal Law of Innocence, Truth, and Family.

Innocence is the True Mind of all that is created. Truth is the Path of Silence, and All that IS. Family is the purified spark of love that has allowed Mother Earth to protect all that live within her Sacred Realms.

We have lived with the Two-leggeds for millennia until they separated themselves from Creation. We are one of many Two-legged Nations that did not agree with their separation at that time. The Universal Law of Symetry was broken. The Four-leggeds, the Wingeds, the One that Swim, the Ones that Crawl, the Plants and the Elementals were separated only in the minds' eye of the Two-leggeds.

Sasquatchi loves Two-leggeds because they are Spiritual Brothers and Sisters, and we are committed to help them to return to Sacred Responsibility.

Your three dimensional realities are very primitive to us. We respect your Mother Earth frequencies, and we haven't forgotten those realities that you have struggled to survive in. We cannot, and will not allow ourselves to descend down to your realities. It would upset the Natural Order of Balance that is within. We have shown ourselves briefly to many brothers and sisters when they have been pure in Heart and Mind. This was designed to help them in awakening their DNA to their Sacred Relationship.

We will come to teach you Innocence, Truth and Purity when you call upon us. We ask first that you Purify yourself Spiritually, Physically, Mentally and Emotionally. The Indigenous Brothers and Sisters of this Turtle Island know ceremonies that will help balance yourself for this contact. The Indigenous Peoples of Mother Earth have held onto Sacred Thoughts produced by the Elements of Earth, Fire, Water and Air. These elements are sacred essences of their Spiritual, Physical, Emotional and Mental existence.

The Indigenous Peoples were given the Sacred Gifts and instructions to help you in this effort. The first rite is that of Thought Purification. We ask you first to be sincere in your thoughts and in your action. Four days are required to prepare you for Earth, Water, Fire and Air Purification.

Bury yourself in Earth for one day. Pray and you will be cleansed.
Stand with the Water of Life for one day. Pray and you will be cleansed.
Sit with Grandfather Sun for one day. Pray and you will be cleansed.
Stand with the Grandfather Wind for one day. Pray and you will be cleansed.

When you have purified your thought, then we will join with you, through the Sacred Law, the Law of True Heart. Go to the Sweat Lodge to attain Purity and utilize the Sacred Waters and Sacred Breath of your Grandfathers. Remember your youth and you will remember your Innocence. Learn the Truth by controlling your tongue.

Learn from the Soil and Stone
Learn from the River and Ocean
Learn from the Fire and Lightning
Learn from the Wind and Breath

These are my instructions for your balance with Mother Earth. If you follow these disciplines that have been gifted you through the Universal and Spiritual Laws of Creator, then your lifeline will be unbroken as our lifeline has been since the beginning.

I am Sasquatchitan. Mitakuye oyasin.
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If this is true, then we are dealing with some very knowlegeable teachers.

The point of all this is to bring up the subject of our origin, to potentially encompass or negate Hubbards view.

Bigfoot tells us that all modern hominoids were transported here for experimental purposes, including Homo neanderthalis, and Cro-magnon man. Australopithecines and homo erectus evolved here but were more animal than human. Experimentally, these hominoids were distributed around a primitive Earth, and later different races of Homo sapiens were place or "seeded" climactically. This was related to the author telepathically by the Sasquatchi. And the Sasquatchi people insisted that there were no missing links among hominoids since we are all genetic by-products of an extraterrestrial "creation". The fossil hominoids are not our progenitors. If a " missing link" exists at all it is US! We are the genetic link between Earth and the Starpeople.

According to the Sasquatchi people, Adam and Eve is symbolic wording, meaning that the races were actually hybrid strains of ET's placed in tiny communities to colonize the world.

If you are conscious enough, you can ask the author of that book to guide you to hotspots of Sasquatch and ET activity. And people have gone out and verified these kinds of things. But if your heart isn't right, you could be in for a shocking experience...or none at all.

Now that we have established a truism about ET's and our relationship to them, thanks to the Sasquatchi link, we can move on...

In researching more about this, I stumbled accross the following link that really puts many things into perspective.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview2.htm


Here it become obvious that mankind has become a kind of battleground for diverse ET interests. And here the force of deception seems most at play. It's very hard to get straight information regarding ET activities, motives and agendas. On the one hand, we have ET's with their fingerprints all over our history, attempting to force an agenda upon us via deceptions and other means. Then there are friendly ETs, one of which engineered our races, attempting to help us within a set of Universal Laws that prohibit them from taking more overt action. So they remain virtually unknown. The kinds of stories fabricated to decieve mostly attack our true identity, and turn a loving God into a firey fanatic that we learn to hate.

One common thread I am finding between my current sources, and this new source, is that we are in for a grand showdown between the two agendas relative to consciousness, and that we will finally prevail.

The question is...is the Hubbard tale just another fabrication to maintain the power structures of the agenda using force? Or is his tale a kind of truth that can set us free from dominating structures?

I haven't yet come to a conclusion.
 
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