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Quote from trader28:

You want proof? Occult science teaches that all is mind, that mind is the substance of god and all is god, so in short existence (and non existence for that matter) is mind... proof?.... what else is there other than consciousness? and even if there were how could you know without consciousness.... its not a matter of "I think therefore I am" but rather..... I AM.... therefore I think!
Is this what you call "Occult Science"?
Where did you get this?
 
I studied for many years with a western mystery school, but it is entirely verifiable through personal meditatation or referencing adepts of every age and culture, all agree the substance of all life is mind... even scientists are starting to say the universe looks like a giant thought and cutting edge quantum physics only makes sense if the very energy that is the building blocks of all matter is mind... the universe is actually an expression of gods self awareness
 
Quote from trainr:

I agree the bible is a literal document, inspired by God, penned by more than 40 authors from all walks of life over 1500+ years in different places at different times. For the New Testament there are over 24,000 manuscripts whose textual agreement is better than 98%.

Try taking 40 different authors and ask them each to write about the same controversial subjects. See whether they create any "harmonious" set of writings, or rather a jumbled anthology.

Yet the bible starts and ends with a tree of life, a river of life, the same themes throughout, beginning with the fall of man and ending with man's eternal restoration, all in complete agreement.

I can see why you say we should take it literally. [/B]

it is these kinds of falsehoods that the church spreads to keep the pew sitters ignorant. sometimes it seems like christians believe that jesus went around handing out bibles. there are no original copies of the bible in existence. there are only copies of copies dating from about the 3rd century. there are some earlier fragments of pages about 3 inches square dating from 150 ad with a few legible words on it. the oldest know fragment is this:
http://www.kchanson.com/ANCDOCS/greek/johnpap.html

there are hundreds of other christian writings that date as early that were left out of the bible. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

the bible we have today was put together by a vote of a group of men in about 397 ad. even today there is debate about which books belong in the bible. catholics for instance have a different bible than evangelicals. http://freethought.mbdojo.com/canon.html

modern scholars are refining what we know about the bible and are removing many of the disputed verses that were added later trying to keep a truer picture of the original. a good example is that we now know that the last 10 verses of mark were forged later. here is a comparison of old bible scripture and the more modern versions of the bible being published today. as you can see a small word change makes a big difference: http://watch.pair.com/scriptures.html


if you are going to base your idea of truth on an old book don't you think it would be wise to know the true history of that book?


interesting reading for those interested.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060738170/103-1962088-2678247?v=glance&n=283155
 
Poor old Yeshua... little did he know that 300 years after his death a mad roman emperor would line up the bishops and threaten them with decapitation and insist on making him a god because his nagging wife believed in his deification... thus was the fate of a nice jewish rabbi that headed up the Jerusalem church and is now depicted as a blonde haired, blue eyed god man
 
Quote from trader28:

Poor old Yeshua... little did he know that 300 years after his death a mad roman emperor would line up the bishops and threaten them with decapitation and insist on making him a god because his nagging wife believed in his deification... thus was the fate of a nice jewish rabbi that headed up the Jerusalem church and is now depicted as a blonde haired, blue eyed god man
That's a story you must have picked up in your studying at "Western Mistery School", "Occult Science Class 101".
:D
 
Quote from nononsense:

That's a story you must have picked up in your studying at "Western Mistery School", "Occult Science Class 101".
:D
Actually its just history... pick up a book now and then sparky


Oh and trying diss me would have been so much more successful if you knew how to spell mystery :)
 
Quote from trader28:

Actually its just history... pick up a book now and then sparky


Oh and trying diss me would have been so much more successful if you knew how to spell mystery :)


Pretending that you so accurately and intimately know the personal life of the Emperor and his wife of 1.6 thousand years ago to the point where you can call that claim history is absolutely ridiculous.

Anyways, here are just a few writings from the 'Early Church Fathers' on the subject that will hopefully add some insight about the Church's belief in Christ's divinity:

St. Ignatius of Antioch
Letter to the Ephesians (110 A.D.):
"For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God's plan"
Letter to the Romans (110 A.D.):
"to the church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus Christ, our God, by the will of Him that has willed everything which is;"

Tatian the Syrian
Address to the Greeks (165/175 A.D.):
"We are not playing the fool, you Greeks, nor do we talk nonsense, when we report that God was born in the form of a man"

St. Irenaeus
From his 5 book-set 'Against Heresies': 'Detection and overthrow of the gnosis falsely so-called' (180/199 A.D.):
"and the raising up again of all flesh of all humanity, in order that to Jesus Christ our Lord and God and Saviour and King;"
 
New age horse shit. Nothing more. Accept that you cannot know the nature of the universe and move on to more practical matters.

Quote from trader28:

I studied for many years with a western mystery school, but it is entirely verifiable through personal meditatation or referencing adepts of every age and culture, all agree the substance of all life is mind... even scientists are starting to say the universe looks like a giant thought and cutting edge quantum physics only makes sense if the very energy that is the building blocks of all matter is mind... the universe is actually an expression of gods self awareness
 
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