traders who are deeply religious

[Thunderdog]

Quote from volente_00:

You do not answer the question. PROVE that children are dying, WERE you there ? Did you see them die ? Or are you going by what the liberal media or what vehn is telling you?

I think it is repugnant and self-serving to dismiss the human suffering that exists in this world, and the death that results every single day as a result of it. "Prove?" "Liberal media?" If a casual search among legitimate web sites is not enough for you, or if you are too suspicious of the mainstream media, then what kind of proof do you need? Why not contact Oxfam, the Red Cross and/or United Way and ask them? If that is not enough proof, then what is?

Personally, I don't care what your beliefs are, but you have embarrassed yourself with the above comment. I certainly hope that it is not your belief in God that has fostered such arrogance and flippancy.

 

[stephencrowley]

What? If i was presented with evidence that god did exist when of course I was believe. That does not mean I am agnostic however. The chances of god being able to exist (in any form that any other human has claimed to think up) is 0. The concept of god itself is man made. Maybe you think that other humans know more than you but I certainly don't, unless of course they are an expert in their field or make logically reasonable statements. And no, being an "expert" on god, theolegy, is all mental masturbation. It's crazy people sitting around reinforcing other crazy peoples ideas with nothing to ground it back to reality and this is one of the major ways it differes from science.

There is no afterlife and no reincarnation. You and I are the sums of our experiences up to this point in time and everything that defines you is contained in your physical being, albeit in a very complicated way. Memory, cognitive processes, consciousness, etc are all very fuzzy ares.

For instance, I can hook up sensors to your brain and tell you to pray and when you have a religious experience a certain area of your brain will be highly active. When you are dead your brain turns to dust and there is no activity, therefore the religious experience isn't happening after death.

Quote from volente_00:

So basically you naturally do not believe in anything, so even if GOD did exist it would not matter because you would not believe anyways.


Do you believe in any type of after life ? reincarnation ?

 

[stu]

Quote from volente_00:

So you don't want me to believe everything I read, but you do want me to believe everything you see or read in the media is true. Did you personally count the 25,000 kids, or are you relying on something you read or saw on TV ? Christianity is not perfect and I will not try to force my religion on anyone. Take the crusades for example, how many people were slaughtered ? You are a truly narrow minded person if you do not believe that there is a higher power out there. Neither side can shows facts to prove existence or not , so it is pointless to argue about it.

I didn't mention anything about believing everything you hear or see, so why divert your argument in that direction with me?

I said your argument was insensible and contemptuous because it established a comparison between your imaginary conjecture and the suffering of starving children. The religion which inclines someone to group starving children into even possibly being considered a fable is contemptuous.

May I suggest to you, should you be incapable of evaluating any available evidence, it is quite possible to get off your ass , employ proven methods and physically go check to confirm or deny categorically whether starving children are fable or not..

On the other hand, shift your fingers and move your butt all you like over your keyboard and anywhere else for that matter, creating imaginary conjecture and innuendo, but you will not be able to contrast or remove your religion or your "higher power out there" from fable.

 

[TylerSJI]

Quote from stu:
The religion which inclines someone to group starving children into even possibly being considered a fable is contemptuous.
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1) He wasn't saying the children aren't starving, but that he found the figure of 25,000 questionable.
2) Considering a religion comtemptuous because of what one internet poster writes would be simply reckless at best. Although you didn't directly say that you'd connect the two, it wouldn't make sense to bring it up otherwise.

 

[volente_00]

Quote from TylerSJI:

1) He wasn't saying the children aren't starving, but that he found the figure of 25,000 questionable.
2) Considering a religion comtemptuous because of what one internet poster writes would be simply reckless at best. Although you didn't directly say that you'd connect the two, it wouldn't make sense to bring it up otherwise.

You people missed the point,I was making an analogy and was questioning why I should believe what you are telling me about the children if you have not personally seen it and are only relying on word of mouth, just like the non believers question me on why they should believe in GOD if they have not personally seen him/she/it just because word of mouth has been written in a book.

 

[volente_00]

Quote from Thunderdog:

I think it is repugnant and self-serving to dismiss the human suffering that exists in this world, and the death that results every single day as a result of it. "Prove?" "Liberal media?" If a casual search among legitimate web sites is not enough for you, or if you are too suspicious of the mainstream media, then what kind of proof do you need? Why not contact Oxfam, the Red Cross and/or United Way and ask them? If that is not enough proof, then what is?

Personally, I don't care what your beliefs are, but you have embarrassed yourself with the above comment. I certainly hope that it is not your belief in God that has fostered such arrogance and flippancy.

I never said suffering does not occur among children, I just asked you to prove that 25,000 babies die everyday without using word of mouth or what you saw in the paper or on the internet.


Do you believe everything you read on the internet ?

 

[stu]

Quote from volente_00:

You people missed the point,I was making an analogy and was questioning why I should believe what you are telling me about the children if you have not personally seen it and are only relying on word of mouth, just like the non believers question me on why they should believe in GOD if they have not personally seen him/she/it just because word of mouth has been written in a book.

You are the one missing the point. You could actually confirm in practical ways other than word of mouth and what's written in far more compelling form than any fable , that children are starving.
You could not prove in any way other than word of mouth or in practical ways that your imaginary friend "the higher power out there" was anything but a fable.

It's knowing that those differences are possible to confirm but ignoring them for the sake of a pious belief, and encouraging a dishonest misrepresention which makes the belief as well as the argument, in my view, contemptuous.

 

[trader28]

Spiritual or religious? because religious people are either deluded, ignorant or both... I mean how many pagan resurrected god/men born of a virgin on december the 25th were there before the myth of Jesus came along... it is absurd that anyone can swallow the pauline form of christianity when it is a blatant rip off of so many pagan cults

 

[stu]

Quote from TylerSJI:

1) He wasn't saying the children aren't starving, but that he found the figure of 25,000 questionable.

He wasn't ..??

Quote from volente_00:

Perhaps those 25000 kids dying is a fable also.

I think you should re-consider your 1).

Quote from TylerSJI:

2) Considering a religion comtemptuous because of what one internet poster writes would be simply reckless at best. Although you didn't directly say that you'd connect the two, it wouldn't make sense to bring it up otherwise.

I consider a religion which inclines someone to make the connection he did is a contemptuous religion.
I clearly do not by saying that, state all religion is contemptuous. Although the ones I have come accross fit the description pretty well, most of the people I have met who indulge in them are far from being the contemptuous article volente_00's comments certainly are.

 

[trader28]

If you want to know the nature of god then ask an occultist... he will tell you that god is pure living mind, in fact mind is all there is, so god may be more accurately called existence. The universe is an expression of gods self awareness ie: a thought in the mind of god, as are we all, but it is only through the individual that thought can take form, we are gods burgeoning self awareness, only through the individual can the absolute know itself