traders who are deeply religious

Quote from Enfinity:

SORRY I missed most of this thread...but here you go :D:D:D:D

13 “Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour. 14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it. 19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:13-30).
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Them MORONS were talking about SLAVES and their SLAVE MASTERS.
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Do your God 'condone' with such practice or 'find' such practice acceptable?
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In the Book the guy Matt was 'recording' for posterity about some episode regarding human affairs and not about His Slaves. And the sad ending of the slave who did not accomplish to his evil master's content.

Nothing in the Book TELLS people that it was holy to speculate financially. Or that it was holy to 'have' slaves.

A BAD EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN as to His intent.
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Your God will 'certainly' punish you for making believe that the Holy Book (supposedly to record His Message to mankind) supports financial speculation and that you have given the impression that He is a slave monger.
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I have nothing to argue with you about. You obviously misunderstand the context of the Bible and are approaching it with an unwilling spirit. (Spirit not in the spiritual-God context, but the emotional context)

If you truly had an open mind I would "invest" my time...that passage is a parable written for the exact instruction you challenged someone to produce...

"Slave" in the context of that time does not equate to the definition of US slavery during the 19th century...

Faith in God does not equal success in anything on earth, only eternal salvation and success in the long-run.


Quote from cooldude:

Them MORONS were talking about SLAVES and their SLAVE MASTERS.
:eek:

Do your God 'condone' with such practice or 'find' such practice acceptable?
:confused:

In the Book the guy Matt was 'recording' for posterity about some episode regarding human affairs and not about His Slaves. And the sad ending of the slave who did not accomplish to his evil master's content.

Nothing in the Book TELLS people that it was holy to speculate financially. Or that it was holy to 'have' slaves.

A BAD EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN as to His intent.
:p

Your God will 'certainly' punish you for making believe that the Holy Book (supposedly to record His Message to mankind) supports financial speculation and that you have given the impression that He is a slave monger.
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Quote from Enfinity:
...that passage is a parable written for the exact instruction you challenged someone to produce...
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A PARABLE is a parable, not a direct teaching. Besides it was a parable from the dude Matt and not from Him!
This is what I asked for:
Quote from cooldude:

Okay, Okay, Okay...

Now, show me where did Jesus tell or teach them to SPECULATE for financial gains using financial instruments.

Show me where in the Book it tells people to USE MONEY TO GENERATE MORE MONEY.

Show me where!

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And you answered with a parable from Matthew. :eek:

And now,
I have nothing to argue with you about. You obviously misunderstand the context of the Bible and are approaching it with an unwilling spirit. (Spirit not in the spiritual-God context, but the emotional context)
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You say that you have nothing to argue with me about and yet you quote my post. :eek:
You are assuming that I don't have a truly open mind and that I do obviously misunderstand things that are easily understood by you. It must surely be that you are smart and I am dumb. :eek:
You are also assuming, even accusing me of approching the Bible with an unwilling spirit. :eek:

How do you know?
Do you think that your God empowered you with an omniscient mind?

These question posted for the previous forum member can be also directed to you too:
Is your God my Maker?
Is your God infinitely Merciful?
Is your God infinite Love?
Is your God Perfect?
Since I am that ignorant, can you enlighten me?

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Quote from hcour:

You could ask the same about any profession or undertaking. Do religious athletes handle pressure better than others? Does a religious surgeon/attorney/mountain-climber/CEO handle pressure better?

But the question is meaningless. People who find strength in "faith" are actually finding strength in themselves. Since there is no "being" out there to actually give them strength, it must come from within them, whether they know it or not. No different with the "unfaithful".

And since one of the most important characteristics of a good trader is to be able to see the reality of what is in front of them, rather than what they wish to see, then I'd say the non-religious trader, who has the courage to face the truth that God doesn't exist, has a headstart in the reality dept.

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i believe this is spot on.
 
Quote from hermit_trader:

Can they handle the pressure better than others? Can they withstand the ups and downs easier than people who are not religious?
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I have to recommend the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964695227/002-9562826-5420022?v=glance&n=283155"> "God in the Pits"</a> by Mark Andrew Ritchie on this subject.

Imho, religious people, of course, are not immune from the stresses and strains of life. On balance we probably get a good deal more of it than non-religious people. I do believe that those who are upheld by God are by definition made durable by Him.

Furthermore, religious people dwell in an atmosphere of <i>conviction,</i> which is essential for strength and focus in everyday life.

This is certainly not an exhaustive discussion about the subject.
 
"Slave" in the context of that time does not equate to the definition of US slavery during the 19th century...


then why did the south use the bible to justify slavery?


"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts." Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.


IMHO religious people simply are kidding themselves, but since they really beleive it then of course it can be stress relieving- but that is no more to the point than getting drunk can also relieve stress. reality doesn't care about your religious belief at all.

conviction about religion is not at all necessary for focus and drive. two examples people who do/did not believe in a personal god: Gates and Einstein
 
Quote from Perseus:

"Slave" in the context of that time does not equate to the definition of US slavery during the 19th century...


then why did the south use the bible to justify slavery?

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because they were morons. perhaps not unlike Hitler, who used the bible to rationalize his perverse hatred for Jews.

why don't you consider Abraham Lincoln, a deeply religious man, whose character and convictions formed in the crucible of hardship (endured in faith) gave him the backbone to hold the nation together as he worked to effect the abolition of slavery?

to a religious person, it's apparent that the Almighty -- in whose name at least one country has fought for, sacrificed for, maintains and makes ever more available the ideal of "liberty and justice for all" -- prepared him for that very task.
 
Quote from Perseus:

Lincoln publically said he was not a christian, he was a deist.

the bible does not condemn slavery
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you cannot prove this, as they are false assertions -- the second for sure, the first one, most likely. in any event, I used the term "deeply religious," referring to Lincoln. Perhaps you shoud read a few biographies and decide for yourself.

the bible clearly states that God did what God did in history to "set the captives free."

a child with an open mind can deduce that easily from and unbiased reading of scripture.

with all due respect, I don't think you're ready for the "open minded, unbiased" requirement, and so will persist in embracing your personal myth about "the bible" , "christianity," slavery, and a good deal more besides.
 
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