Itâs consensus, stupid
Consensus is the point when most market participants, particularly of those institutional ones reaches a relative similar opinion about a company, a sector or economy, on FA side, and TA helps with its technical assistance.
When consensus is reached, the capitulation point in price can not be too far away.
I still remember the excited and flush faces of friends when market bid up $100 higher intra day just to get a share of YHOO, at a time when the whole world is afraid of missing the internet train.
Needless to say, all the money in market participantsâ pocket had been pretty much exhausted at that point to pay for the hourly inflated internet train ticket.
The most recent one is the goldilocks US economy coming out of the last summer correction, and the major indexesâ spectacular steady and non-stop rise since mid of July, 2006, until Feb 27, 2007.
Itâs always hard to TA an exact time point when a market consensus is reached.
Nevertheless, on Jan 3, 2007, Briefings.com had the following piece published:
The Outlook for 2007, 010307 (subtitle added)
GDP growth
âOur forecast is that real GDP growth will be near 2% in the first quarter, but will then slowly increase back towards the long-term trend of 3.1% as the year progresses. â
âConsumer spending will remain steady due to the strong labor market, and business investment trends will pick up as the year proceeds. The housing sector will even rebound late in 2007.â
Earnings
âFor 2007, we are forecasting that profit growth will drift towards its long-term trend of about 7%â
Inflation
âCore inflation looks set to track near 2% to 2 1/4% in 2007.â
Fed
âThe economy is on a reasonably solid footing, and if the Fed needs to lower rates in 2007 to get growth back towards long-term trends, they will.â
Goldilocks
âThe economy and earnings growth have returned near their long-term trends. Inflation and interest rates, fortunately, have remained below longer-term trends.â
The corresponding capitulation price point:
On Feb 20, 2007
Dow closed at historical high, with intra day high of 11,795.
S&P500: intra day high of 1460, 90 points short of the historical high of about 1550 on Mar 24, 2000;
Nasdaq: intra day high of 2531, about 2500 points away from its historical high of about 5078 on Mar 24, 2000, but still a all time high since 2001
The most recent âstagnationâ consensus
Letâs just change a few words from phrasing goldilocks consensus, without getting into numbers:
âThe economy and earnings growth will be below their long-term trends. Inflation and interest rates, unfortunately, will be above longer-term trends.â For how long? as long as subprime goes, 2007 and 2008.
The subprime and its suddenly gained fame in financial market reminded me of âPhantom of Operaâ:
The phantom usually comes out at night only with a mask, and he told the girl who always wanted to see his true face, âclose your eyes and use your imaginationâ.
I would guess market has imagined all possible worst faces about stagnation around Mar 14, 2007:
Dow: intra day low of 11939
S&P500: intra day low of 1363
Nasdaq: intraday low of 2331
Now, about one month later, the indexes, particularly S&P500, have pretty much recouped all the losses since then.
Is market now going away from stagnation consensus?
Given all the excitement about CCP200 and world decoupling from US, I still donât think anybody can bail out US financial market except US economy itself.
Now I remember a book about Premier Zhou, âToo heavy to call him fatherâ.
In addition to my jargon list of CCP200, PA, etc, I also label bond market as âIâ, since it is probably more institutional, informational, more accurate on interest and inflation and therefore growth rate, and Fed being âFâ, federal judge, and stock market being âEâ.
We all know stock market better, more earning oriented, employment , Joe or growth oriented, and of course, more emotional than informational.
As far and much as âIâ and âFâ can see, growth is going to be sub-par, until subprime goes away; And inflation is still stubborn.
Against this backdrop, will stock indexes continue its current impressively bullish formation and challenge the record high on Feb 20, 2007? âwe are not far away from there, we can see the red star atop of Kremlinâ.
German soldiers finally retreated.
Guess is still a guess, at its best. Letâs see the face of market when the mask is off.
marketreflections.com
Consensus is the point when most market participants, particularly of those institutional ones reaches a relative similar opinion about a company, a sector or economy, on FA side, and TA helps with its technical assistance.
When consensus is reached, the capitulation point in price can not be too far away.
I still remember the excited and flush faces of friends when market bid up $100 higher intra day just to get a share of YHOO, at a time when the whole world is afraid of missing the internet train.
Needless to say, all the money in market participantsâ pocket had been pretty much exhausted at that point to pay for the hourly inflated internet train ticket.
The most recent one is the goldilocks US economy coming out of the last summer correction, and the major indexesâ spectacular steady and non-stop rise since mid of July, 2006, until Feb 27, 2007.
Itâs always hard to TA an exact time point when a market consensus is reached.
Nevertheless, on Jan 3, 2007, Briefings.com had the following piece published:
The Outlook for 2007, 010307 (subtitle added)
GDP growth
âOur forecast is that real GDP growth will be near 2% in the first quarter, but will then slowly increase back towards the long-term trend of 3.1% as the year progresses. â
âConsumer spending will remain steady due to the strong labor market, and business investment trends will pick up as the year proceeds. The housing sector will even rebound late in 2007.â
Earnings
âFor 2007, we are forecasting that profit growth will drift towards its long-term trend of about 7%â
Inflation
âCore inflation looks set to track near 2% to 2 1/4% in 2007.â
Fed
âThe economy is on a reasonably solid footing, and if the Fed needs to lower rates in 2007 to get growth back towards long-term trends, they will.â
Goldilocks
âThe economy and earnings growth have returned near their long-term trends. Inflation and interest rates, fortunately, have remained below longer-term trends.â
The corresponding capitulation price point:
On Feb 20, 2007
Dow closed at historical high, with intra day high of 11,795.
S&P500: intra day high of 1460, 90 points short of the historical high of about 1550 on Mar 24, 2000;
Nasdaq: intra day high of 2531, about 2500 points away from its historical high of about 5078 on Mar 24, 2000, but still a all time high since 2001
The most recent âstagnationâ consensus
Letâs just change a few words from phrasing goldilocks consensus, without getting into numbers:
âThe economy and earnings growth will be below their long-term trends. Inflation and interest rates, unfortunately, will be above longer-term trends.â For how long? as long as subprime goes, 2007 and 2008.
The subprime and its suddenly gained fame in financial market reminded me of âPhantom of Operaâ:
The phantom usually comes out at night only with a mask, and he told the girl who always wanted to see his true face, âclose your eyes and use your imaginationâ.
I would guess market has imagined all possible worst faces about stagnation around Mar 14, 2007:
Dow: intra day low of 11939
S&P500: intra day low of 1363
Nasdaq: intraday low of 2331
Now, about one month later, the indexes, particularly S&P500, have pretty much recouped all the losses since then.
Is market now going away from stagnation consensus?
Given all the excitement about CCP200 and world decoupling from US, I still donât think anybody can bail out US financial market except US economy itself.
Now I remember a book about Premier Zhou, âToo heavy to call him fatherâ.
In addition to my jargon list of CCP200, PA, etc, I also label bond market as âIâ, since it is probably more institutional, informational, more accurate on interest and inflation and therefore growth rate, and Fed being âFâ, federal judge, and stock market being âEâ.
We all know stock market better, more earning oriented, employment , Joe or growth oriented, and of course, more emotional than informational.
As far and much as âIâ and âFâ can see, growth is going to be sub-par, until subprime goes away; And inflation is still stubborn.
Against this backdrop, will stock indexes continue its current impressively bullish formation and challenge the record high on Feb 20, 2007? âwe are not far away from there, we can see the red star atop of Kremlinâ.
German soldiers finally retreated.
Guess is still a guess, at its best. Letâs see the face of market when the mask is off.
marketreflections.com