Traders' Coach (Woman)

marketsurfer · Dec 29, 2003

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The second-most-influential psychotherapist of the twentieth century, by the reckoning of the American Psychological Association, turned ninety last month. His name is Albert Ellis, and, in case you didnât know, he is the founder of Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, or REBT, and the author of more than seventy books, including âSex Without Guilt,â âSex and the Liberated Man,â âThe Case for Promiscuity,â

Ok db, please tell us which sex book did you buy??

:eek: sounds perfect ! perhaps he and dr. ruth should date ??

LOL !

surfer

traderob · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

my opinion of this issue, and i admit it is fluid (opinion), is that the lack of ability to handle real FREEDOM is one of the primary stumbling blocks to successful trading. allow me to explain, all thru one's life, they are generally told what to do and they follow directions--from nursery school thru grad school one is following someone elses directive. this continues thru out the average person's life into their career, family, etc. most follow directions and have limited FREEDOM of choice outside of parameters, however wide those parameters.

trading provides real FREEDOM and most people can not handle this FREEDOM therefore they self destruct. this self destruction is a defense mechanism to avoid real FREEDOM. people crave this FREEDOM yet most are petrified of it, when they have it and do not know how to handle it.

the key is being able to handle the freedom trading provides by trusting yourself without needing directive.

best,

surfer

Good stuff!

dbphoenix · Dec 29, 2003

Quote from chessman:

The second-most-influential psychotherapist of the twentieth century, by the reckoning of the American Psychological Association, turned ninety last month. His name is Albert Ellis, and, in case you didnât know, he is the founder of Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, or REBT, and the author of more than seventy books, including âSex Without Guilt,â âSex and the Liberated Man,â âThe Case for Promiscuity,â

Ok db, please tell us which sex book did you buy??

Actually, I first became acquainted with his work about twenty years ago when a friend (clinical) lent me a copy of A New Guide to Rational Living (updated a few years back). But given the level of irrationality at which Americans hold sex and sexual behavior, I'm not surprised at the number of books he's written on the subject.

WDGann · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

my opinion of this issue, and i admit it is fluid (opinion), is that the lack of ability to handle real FREEDOM is one of the primary stumbling blocks to successful trading. allow me to explain, all thru one's life, they are generally told what to do and they follow directions--from nursery school thru grad school one is following someone elses directive. this continues thru out the average person's life into their career, family, etc. most follow directions and have limited FREEDOM of choice outside of parameters, however wide those parameters.

trading provides real FREEDOM and most people can not handle this FREEDOM therefore they self destruct. this self destruction is a defense mechanism to avoid real FREEDOM. people crave this FREEDOM yet most are petrified of it, when they have it and do not know how to handle it.

the key is being able to handle the freedom trading provides by trusting yourself without needing directive.

best,

surfer

Free??? FREEDOM???

ummm... .... .... .... Well maybe in another thread...

But a simple thought would be true FREEDOM = Chaotic Order

marketsurfer · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from WDGann:

Free??? FREEDOM???

ummm... .... .... .... Well maybe in another thread...

But a simple thought would be true FREEDOM = Chaotic Order

gann,

i am speaking here more of the freedom of the individual to make their own decisons without ANY directive, or by choosing to follow directive or not at any time. people, in general, are creatures of habit who follow. trading provides an opportunity to break out of this mold, however most can't handle the freedom. hence the rise of the guru trading culture.

best,

surfer

Hombre · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

gann,

i am speaking here more of the freedom of the individual to make their own decisions without ANY directive, or by choosing to follow directive or not at any time. people, in general, are creatures of habit who follow. trading provides an opportunity to break out of this mold, however most can't handle the freedom. hence the rise of the guru trading culture.

best,

surfer

That definitely makes sense, your "freedom " post was excellent.
Hombre

WDGann · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from marketsurfer:

gann,

i am speaking here more of the freedom of the individual to make their own decisons without ANY directive, or by choosing to follow directive or not at any time. people, in general, are creatures of habit who follow. trading provides an opportunity to break out of this mold, however most can't handle the freedom. hence the rise of the guru trading culture.

best,

surfer

I'd really like to answer to this but I have a problem grasping your nuiance of the term "directive" but...

Everyone and every action is based on some degree of "directive". For example, when you start trading, your directives are based on some social basis of money or winner/loser mentality. But this is something that has to be molded out of to a different degree, like trading well based on the person's "new directive".

"Real" FREEDOM does not exist in all planes of reality. Everything has it's boundaries, as long as it exists. It's a matter of which "directive" plane, you would place yourself in.

Maybe we can talk about this on some other occasion before we get into a "Chit Chat" kinda thread of what FREEDOM is....

dbphoenix · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from WDGann:

Maybe we can talk about this on some other occasion before we get into a "Chit Chat" kinda thread of what FREEDOM is....

Those interested in the subject would enjoy Douglas' first book since, depending on the focus, both you and surf are correct.

marketsurfer · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from dbphoenix:

Those interested in the subject would enjoy Douglas' first book since, depending on the focus, both you and surf are correct.

yes, i agree. when i said directive, i should have clarified exactly what i meant--- directive from another, following orders type of directive. not the directive gann is speaking of.

best,

surfer

Walther · Dec 30, 2003

Quote from WDGann:

"Real" FREEDOM does not exist in all planes of reality.

Real Freedom exists . Unfortunately, it only lasts till reality , with all kinds of boundaries, sets in.