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Quote from jack hershey:

tick tock


cat got your tongue....lol


That ticking is probably for you Jack, you are on the wrong side of the average lifespan for a male :(

And you do realise I'll be ruining any tributes to you on the web, sort of a going away present :p
 
Quote from schlap:

That ticking is probably for you Jack, you are on the wrong side of the average lifespan for a male :(

okay gotta go its my bedtime.....

See if you can post before tomorrow morning....lol
 
So are the contradictions that you and your star pupil, Spydertrader, churn out for us :p

Two examples:

Example 1:
Here Spydertrader says stocks must be screened before testing the scoring cycle of your price, volume relationship model:
Quote from Spydertrader:
To perform a proper back test on this method (and it can be done) you need to test the stocks that conform to all the parameters used to qualify the stock, and then you perform that test for that stock within that time frame in which it qualifies. Testing beyond the time a stock finds itself within a Universe of Stocks that were, are or will be traded provides meaningless results. Nobody is going to trade an unqualified stock. You repeat the process for every stock you wish to test.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1115411&#post1115411

But here he says the opposite... that trading using the price, volume relationship does NOT require screening.
Quote from Spydertrader:
The Price Volume Relationship works in any market, on any time frame - provided sufficient liquidity exists. PVT refers to a specific methodology which uses the Price Volume Relationship to trade equities which match certain fundamental parameters. Since ETF's do not meet threshold with respect to these fundamental parameters, by definition ETF's cannot work with PVT. Only stocks which match (or exceed) the fundamental criteria can be traded using PVT. However, one can trade ETF's using the Price-Volume relationship.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1978951#post1978951

Please show me where in your paper (attached) you require screening or testing only a "universe" of stocks that meet fundamental parameters... please show me where in your paper you mention PVT... on the other hand, you talk about the price, volume relationship throughout the paper. Could it be that you just don't like this equity curve? http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1115365

Once again, white is black and black is white :p


Example 2:
Here's another classic, where I address Spydertrader's red herring about the code I used for the test:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1979868#post1979868

ssooo funny.

Quote from jack hershey:

ssooo funny.
 

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So are the contradictions that you and your star pupil, Spydertrader, churn out for us :p

Two examples:

Example 1:
Here Spydertrader says stocks must be screened before testing the scoring cycle of your price, volume relationship model:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1115411&#post1115411

But here he says the opposite... that trading using the price, volume relationship does NOT require screening.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1978951#post1978951

Please show me where in your paper (attached) you require screening or testing only a "universe" of stocks that meet fundamental parameters... please show me where in your paper you mention PVT... on the other hand, you talk about the price, volume relationship throughout the paper. Could it be that you just don't like this equity curve? http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1115365

Once again, white is black and black is white :p


Example 2:
Here's another classic, where I address Spydertrader's red herring about the code I used for the test:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1979868#post1979868

ssooo funny.

There is some miswiring going on here.

If you wish I'll explain it to you. Just remember that if you give me permission, you and your buddy are going to become examples of what it is like to be like what the two of you have wound up becoming.

My recommendation to you is to think about it for a few days.

If you want it explained to you, I'll do it in spades and it is not going to be a very pleasant read for you, your buddy or anyone similarly aflicted.

The up side of the explanation is that many others will be able to profit from understanding the consequences of how decisions are made with regard to how a person can capitalize on the opportunity of building the mind and just what is going on at every fork in the road of deciding just how to go about building the mind.
 
Quote from steve46:

Here at the end of the day a total of 37 ET members have agreed to ignore Trader28

I'd like to thank everyone for participating in this

We will continue tomorrow.

Thanks again everyone.

Steve

I'm in. Thanks very much for starting this thread, Steve.

Ansare
 
Let me guess... you want to project your own inadequacies on me by making me the focus of a rant about how people can reach a point of no return through the incessant learning of repeated failure. Is that correct? If so, no thanks, you've falsely maligned me more than enough already.

Why don't we do something constructive instead like publicly debate each other on the price, volume relationship and have the ET community vote on the winner? I have a model that doesn't need training wheels (a pre-screened "universe") and I can present it simply and clearly enough for anyone to verify. In other words, I don't need to hide behind unnecessary complexity and nebulosity to prevent people from analyzing it.

Or maybe we could analyze "Catch Up With Tomorrow's Paper Today." As long as we don't pretend it contains things that aren't really in it...

Quote from jack hershey:

There is some miswiring going on here.

If you wish I'll explain it to you. Just remember that if you give me permission, you and your buddy are going to become examples of what it is like to be like what the two of you have wound up becoming.

My recommendation to you is to think about it for a few days.

If you want it explained to you, I'll do it in spades and it is not going to be a very pleasant read for you, your buddy or anyone similarly aflicted.

The up side of the explanation is that many others will be able to profit from understanding the consequences of how decisions are made with regard to how a person can capitalize on the opportunity of building the mind and just what is going on at every fork in the road of deciding just how to go about building the mind.
 
Quote from Trader666:

Let me guess... you want to project your own inadequacies on me by making me the focus of a rant about how people can reach a point of no return through the incessant learning of repeated failure. Is that correct? If so, no thanks, you've falsely maligned me more than enough already.

Why don't we do something constructive instead like publicly debate each other on the price, volume relationship and have the ET community vote on the winner? I have a model that doesn't need training wheels (a pre-screened "universe") and I can present it simply and clearly enough for anyone to verify. In other words, I don't need to hide behind unnecessary complexity and nebulosity to prevent people from analyzing it.

Or maybe we could analyze "Catch Up With Tomorrow's Paper Today." As long as we don't pretend it contains things that aren't really in it...


Thanks for responding; I really appreciate it.

Declining was a good idea for you.

It is fairly clear that there is no debate on the P, V relationship. It is a very old concept and principle that is used very widely in a very broad range of applications.

I hope that the model you have found gets developed over time. Maybe as time passes you will be able to present some of its derivatives in ways that can be understood and used by others.

Good luck to you and your buddies here.
 
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