Quote from SammySOESa:
yup, the zero manipulation factor is important. the way i see it, the intrinsic value of the underlying quad Q components will (should) prevent it from ever crashing or doing irreparable harm to my account. that's why i can freely sling 1,000+ share lots of them while not having the cajones to trade other equities with such confidence.
i always have a minimum of 500 Q's in my account overnight, and as much as 3,000. if 9/11 only gapped it down 3 points, and it eclipsed it's 9/10 high a month later, i'll never have any fear holding a huge underwater lot. i'll just continue scalping cheaper positions until it returns. of course being that i should always expect the unexpected, i always hold some Q puts on a portion of my longs. i never exercise them, tho.. i just sell them to hedge the temporary long Q drawdowns.
Quote from EchoPatrick:
nothing on opening orders, but mid-day trading was ok.
mk ... online poker ... beware!... before you know it you will be at the computer 16 hours a day playing. LOL.
patrick

if i'm following you correctly, you're saying that rather than use the Q puts solely to hedge the long underlying, i might be better served by trading them more aggressively around the long to scalp profitable put trades before the inevitable theta erosion?Quote from limitdown:
if you can handle the duality of this conversation and the direction of its intent, then consider...
trading the option hedge, or protective puts as a profit center in of it ownself instead of just as an expense against catastrophic circumstances...
that requires that you invert your mindset each time you approach discussions on your option position instead of just as a protective hedge. spread trade (uneven basis) the options and this will limit your net negative outflow as well as cushion you from the obvious decline in value as your long QQ's rise in value...
makes sense?