Trade deal signing on Jan 15!

Outcome on Jan 15?

  • No deal

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Deal is terrible for US, Trump got taken

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Great deal, best deal ever

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Other (specify below)

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13
It will sound strange in this forum, but i'm not follow this topic in details. But from what I think based on observation all the stuff around - In my opinion US is now aware that is loosing on this trade war more than China (there are economic studies about this).
Did you read the details of the trade deal?

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-...al-details-phase-one-revealed-china-make-huge

The deal will bolster intellectual property protection, and also has chapters on forced technology transfer, currency, and market access to key sectors in the Chinese economy, including financial services and agriculture.


It will contain an enforcement provision, through which the US will be unilaterally be able to reimpose tariffs should China not hold to its commitments, including the purchase agreements.

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro said in an interview with US broadcaster NPR on Monday that the enforcement mechanism permits US trade representative Robert Lighthizer to reimpose tariffs within a 90-day period.

Imagine China agrees to all of that without Trump's trade war?
 
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Did you read the details of the trade deal?

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-...al-details-phase-one-revealed-china-make-huge



Imagine China agrees to all of that without Trump's trade war?

No, I didn't read it in details before. I have checked now what you linked.Thanks for link.

Read my entire post - I treat all this as a big puzzle with many peaces. Trade war is not separated "thing". I will be not surprised if in case of signing a deal there will be deescalation of Middle East conflict (for now).

Think of China position - they are long horizons players (not from mandate to mandate like in many countries). If you are in their position you cannot allow to escalate any conflict and for sure you cannot allow to participate in any global war (not now, not if you are on the way to be world prime economic leader). You just need to buy more time.

But I'm surprised that they agreed to such conditions. It shows that they are really focused on long perspective.
 
But I'm surprised that they agreed to such conditions. It shows that they are really focused on long perspective.
No, they really have no choice. Trump's timing was excellent and he negotiates from a position of strength (strong US economy so can risk a slow down whereas China's was slowing).

Long term you are probably correct but at least this deal blunts the Chinese momentum a little. Imagine if it is business as usual, they will definitely dominate within a decade.
 
No, they really have no choice. Trump's timing was excellent and he negotiates from a position of strength (strong US economy so can risk a slow down whereas China's was slowing).

Long term you are probably correct but at least this deal blunts the Chinese momentum a little. Imagine if it is business as usual, they will definitely dominate within a decade.

Of course - all this trade war was like "not much to loose" scenario.
He had choice of do nothing, so the domination will came faster or try to stop it or slow it down. So from the strategic point the choice was good (for US).

But still I think China is in position to make better conditions OR they just are afraid of some global military conflict (like wrote before) + their economy can be very weak at the moment (it is possible, because we don't even have some real economic data, they can show any numbers...). It just is a pity that the economy of other countries got a ricochet and a new armed conflict was launched.
 
Of course - all this trade war was like "not much to loose" scenario.
He had choice of do nothing, so the domination will came faster or try to stop it or slow it down. So from the strategic point the choice was good (for US).

But still I think China is in position to make better conditions OR they just are afraid of some global military conflict (like wrote before) + their economy can be very weak at the moment (it is possible, because we don't even have some real economic data, they can show any numbers...). It just is a pity that the economy of other countries got a ricochet and a new armed conflict was launched.
In my prior life I had done business in Asia and here is one man's non professional opinion:

The 21st century belongs to Asia - China, India, Japan, Korea... IF they can avoid their achilles' heel: Their cultures promote conformity and do not reward outliers or innovators. As a result, it is harder for them to develop breakthrough thinking, technology or business concepts.

They need to change for them to really dominate the world stage. Look how well the Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreas, Vietnamese... immigrants have done in the US.
 
we don't know the half of it, so it's too early to draw any conclusions, I think we should at least observe, but the situation is acute in fact...
 
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