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Since MES was brought up, here is a part of their marketing. They are allowing a $5,000 draw to make the $1,000. Compare it to TST, and determine which model is allowing for a more liberal draw to make the gain.

"Your daily loss limit is $2,000 and your max drawdown is $5,000. Your profit target will be 5-10% per month with the duration being 1 month (20 trading days). Your goal will be to achieve a net positive PnL greater than $1,000"

No not MES. There is now a Forex funding firm. http://top50fx-traderfunder.com/
Similar to the others without the stringent rules.
 
Someone posted this link on another thread.

https://proptraders.biz/

Looks like TST now has a Russian competitor. They want $750 on their version of the 150k "combine" which is a bit absurd, considering they ALSO compute a 3% maximum trailing draw, BUT they want $15k profit, or a net 10% gain on equity to pass the thing, lol.

Simple math reveals their daily draw is 1.66% on the smallest trial account and 2% on all others. The trail stop is 5% on the smallest account, and 3% on the largest (TST has 10% on the smallest and 3% on the largest).

The common feature is the representation of equity (or simulated funds). $10,000 per lot traded seems to be the standard.

Yeah quite interesting thing. They have changed the prices. Also have better conditions like you can trade any instrument after the qualification no matter what you have used during it. No mounthly fees and only one step to get the capital... But they new...
 
This new firm says they back CFDs, well nobody needs backing using CFDs they are so cheap. Actually, non-Americans are better off practicing with CFDs instead of doing the combine, after all they can actually scale up with real money in that account. One can start an account with $100, that is less than the cheapest combine now.

No not MES. There is now a Forex funding firm. http://top50fx-traderfunder.com/

Q. How much can I lose.?
A. The most you can lose is the $350 qualification trial fee.
 
Yeah quite interesting thing. They have changed the prices. Also have better conditions like you can trade any instrument after the qualification no matter what you have used during it. No mounthly fees and only one step to get the capital... But they new...

Good observation regarding the price changes. They also say the rules in the funded account are the same as the trial, which at least keeps it simple. The "trading statistics" feature for traders who get funded looks quite interesting. Unfortunately, the link is completely in Russian.

I think simplicity is key, which will attract more traders to the model. However, the "starting balances" are obviously not a representation of REAL equity, since the maximum allowable drawdown is the REAL amount you are allowed to lose as you build the live account. Of course, in addition to the fee to join the trial.
 
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Good observation regarding the price changes. They also say the rules in the funded account are the same as the trial, which at least keeps it simple. The "trading statistics" feature for traders who get funded looks quite interesting. Unfortunately, the link is completely in Russian.

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Russian.????? I see no Russian.???
 
With good reason. The competition is hotting up. Call it competition or not there are "Alternatives. A new Forex version just came in to play.

Right, competition or as you describe, "alternatives", is a good thing. This is like the ride sharing business. The more players like Uber, the better for consumers. It's also the same as earning points with credit cards or mileage with the major airlines. They will compete and tweak their respective models to outdo the other.

At the end of the day, what matters is how to actually make money once you pass the thing, lol!

The math of the actual daily risk is the underlying metric. If you're allowed to lose $3,000 maximum trailing drawdown in the "100k" account (whatever the firm, since the metrics are virtually the same), then what is the daily risk as a percentage of THAT number?

So if you're going to trade 1 lot of crude, and you cap the daily risk at 20%, then you can risk 60 ticks as you go through the trial, since 20% of $3k is $600. This means you have a maximum of five consecutive losing days before you "blow up" the account. If you're trading 2 lots, then you can only risk 30 ticks. If 3 lots, then the risk is 20 ticks, etc.

Forget about the "1% to 3%" daily risk metric, that is IRRELEVANT. As Pekelo correctly stated, you cannot measure risk based on an imaginary number. The "simulated funds" of the trial are IMAGINARY NUMBERS, and therefore your measure of risk has to be based on the maximum allowable draw on a trailing basis, provided that draw does not exceed the daily allowable draw.
 
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This new firm says they back CFDs, well nobody needs backing using CFDs they are so cheap. Actually, non-Americans are better off practicing with CFDs instead of doing the combine, after all they can actually scale up with real money in that account. One can start an account with $100, that is less than the cheapest combine now.



Q. How much can I lose.?
A. The most you can lose is the $350 qualification trial fee.

I seriously doubt you can have a $2000 DD allowance with a $100 account. Lol
How many lots do you think you can trade with a $100 account.?
Money makes money. Peanuts make peanuts.
 
How many lots do you think you can trade with a $100 account.?
Money makes money. Peanuts make peanuts.

You just asked and answered the magic question! Yes, "money makes money" and that is also why the "Maximum Lot Size" in any of the trail accounts is IRRELEVANT. It has to be measured as a factor of the percentage of risk you are allowed on a maximum trailing basis, not to exceed the daily allowable draw (see post above). So a "15 lots" account is meaningless if you have $100 in it, or even $500 in it, lol!

If you want to measure how the FIRMS THEMSELVES COMPUTE THE DAILY MAXIMUM RISK as a percentage, then use $10,000 per ONE lot as a guide for trading futures, since that is what TST and its competitors are using.
 
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