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[RealTrader]

I love all the one post wonders joining ET.

BTW, you know who offers the biggest dream of all?

ET!!!!!!! And you are all here drinking it up!

His post of TST providing traders a "dream" makes sense doesn't it. There is a possibility and by looking at TST's intention you can say so. However I think it is coming out sounding like an insult as well to all the traders that may be trapped.

I have been challenged with great claims/statements that I even appreciated and also with complete misinformation. However I have provided a detailed nonemotional response to each claim with Supporting evidence.

If you want to disprove his comment you need to disprove it with Supporting evidence.

If you want to make a claim that everyone on ET is in a dream or whatever you said (it makes no sense, sounds like a defending emotional comment) then you ned to provide supporting detailed evidence with your claim. Otherwise it is meaningless.

 

[RealTrader]

i'll chime in. lurker and now member. Doctors have passed exams, shown competency, and have the basic credibility. to teach other doctors, they need to be hired, giving them more credibility. and then to keep their job they must give some good, useful information. and a lot teachers need a Phd, or PhdMD in this case I'm guessing, so that is more credibility. but you can go to a bad school, so don't expect to teach at a good school.

anyone can buy a website and sell junk, since they have decided to spend time selling crap instead of making money. is that bad? no, it's great for the guy selling stuff. less risk and hopefully he can "fake it until he makes it". money is money. scam is money if someone gives you money for horrible information. you never have to trade, or ever traded before, and have zero credibility is fine....just learn to sell.

TST have clearly found a plan to sell to all the unemployed who hope they can make real money with very little. they sell to dreamers. i feel bad for the dreamers. but people buy cars they don't need, houses too big, 2k watches, etc.....so this is good.

same as youtube, where very few make a living but everyone posts horrible stuff and thinks they will get rich overnight. fun to see a "trading guru" with 100 views, versus a cat that gets 10 million. everything is marketing.

Yes it is obvious that TST is doing internet marketing and there are companies in the same industry that are even worse. However I couldn't care less about other traders getting tricked by other companies or other people in other industries.
What I am saying is there is something special about TST

They have masked themselves very well and have come out openly seeming like they were transparent. Other companies just do their internet marketing, trick the customers, and layer false information in all aspects of the company for defense and to last longer.

However, TST went BEYOND this and looked to claim transparency by coming BY THEMSELVES to forums, by creating youtube videos proving they don't lie about funding (but masking the true objective of the combine, and just ignoring everything else.)

With this transparency trick they they failed and are only left on a Dictatorship forum called BMT where the admin PARTNERS with companies like TST and supports/promotes them(that's how he makes money).

The videos on YouTube stopped the public forums stopped, BUT even though they failed, they have tricked everyone in to BELIEVING in their TRANSPARENCY. That is why I came here to expose them. And I do not insult these people, I talk with claims and supporting evidence, in fact I would like to help these people if anything. So I appreciate every claim and dissect it to the detail.

Thank You

 

[istoptime]

I haven't seen any of the youtube videos, yet.

trading, day or swing, might be some insane addiction that posting only makes worse. perhaps. i haven't been scammed directly yet, but i do remember a few brokerage firms charging me too much with commission, or bad hours, or insane fills....but that is a different story. real trader....keep up the good fight. you are educating. remember, when TST gets super mad when you want them to prove they are profitable, you will have your answer. in almost every profession, it's easy to see good and bad. this one, banking, and all sales is very hard to decipher.

 

[Maverick74]

Real Trader, you have not backed up your statement that Michael Patak is a failed screen trader. You "claimed" that but you have not "proven" that. You do know what libel is right? Ever seen the inside of a court room before? If you cannot prove your claim, don't think you can hide behind your alias. Your identity will be exposed fast. Libel lawsuits are a bitch btw. Much easier to prosecute vs slander.

 

[RealTrader]

Real Trader, you have not backed up your statement that Michael Patak is a failed screen trader. You "claimed" that but you have not "proven" that. You do know what libel is right? Ever seen the inside of a court room before? If you cannot prove your claim, don't think you can hide behind your alias. Your identity will be exposed fast. Libel lawsuits are a bitch btw. Much easier to prosecute vs slander.

Of course, I QUESTION if he is or not and I provided INFORMATION for WHY he may not be just like most traders lose money.
What is Wrong with questioning?

They are a LEGIT company and Michael Patak and his team are fantastic people but I question the things that is most important to US TRADERS, is it worth doing these programs, after all, we want to MAKE MONEY

WHY are YOU always FALSELY accusing me of everything you can come up with.

You have Falsely accused me of calling the company a scam when I clearly said they are a legit company and was simply questioning things and provided information to why I was questioning those things

You have Accused me of me making my posts too long and implying I should get in trouble because of this

You have Accused me of being Psychotic and mad fun of me

You have accused me of having multiple aliases

Now You are accusing me of making personal attacks on the company to hurt them in a fake way. I am Discussing and questioning things.

Why do I say I make a statement and provided evidence to why I question it. Because I want this discussion to be organized and I do not want this to be a futile arguments going back and forth.

You have not once to actually join this discussion, you have just being accusing and making fun of people and creating your false claims.

Michael Patak was a professional pit trader alongside his friends, who are FANTASTIC people and they run a LEGIT business. As I have said before. I question can we learn not even from him specifically, but from others who were good or best at one thing but we do not know if they are good at the other thing we want to be good at, which is screen trading.

I question if it useful to listen to someone who claims to be a consistently profitable professional trader without providing a Verified Track Record. He can provide it tomorrow or not, I am not saying that he IS NOT a profitable trader. but as it SEEMS he isn't, why does it SEEM he is not? Because the Record is not provided and because most traders are not.

It is not a bad thing to be a unprofitable trader, as only 5% make it, and almost all ET members are losers so obv. this does not make him any less of a fantastic person than he is. Trading is very difficult and you cannot succeed through just sheer effort. so If you fail it does not change who you are


Are you going to accuse me again?

You probably are so I see there is no more reason to continue this conversation as most trapped traders who cannot accept that they are losers that have been trying to become successful traders their whole life, cannot admit they wasted all of their life trying to be a profitable trader and just defend themselves by attacking others because they do not want to let their effort and time go to waste.
Since that is what YOU WANT then its ok, and I am done with this forum. I wanted to help these trapped traders who had a hard time accepting the facts but it looks as if I failed.

 

[Maverick74]

Of course, I QUESTION if he is or not and I provided INFORMATION for WHY he may not be just like most traders lose money.
What is Wrong with questioning?

WHY are YOU always FALSELY accusing me of everything you can come up with.

Now You are accusing me of making personal attacks on the company to hurt them in a fake way. I am Discussing and questioning things.

You have not once to actually join this discussion, you have just being accusing and making fun of people and creating your false claims.

I question if it useful to listen to someone who claims to be a consistently profitable professional trader without providing a Verified Track Record. He can provide it tomorrow or not, I am not saying that he IS NOT a profitable trader. but as it SEEMS he isn't, why does it SEEM he is not? Because the Record is not provided and because most traders are not.

Are you going to accuse me again?

Yes, I am. Real Trader. Listen to me very carefully. Your comments I'm quoting below are libelous. You made these comments. You have provided ZERO proof to back up your claims. Listen to me, you are treading on shaky ground here. This case against you is a slam dunk. They will take you to court and as God as my witness, they will get a judgement against you. I'm not joking here. You are calling them out by name and making accusations that are intentionally defamatory.

In trading if you have to learn a book that is 150 pages long, EDDIE who is a FAILED SCREEN TRADER and is NOT a profitable trader can teach you this material if he knows it himself. If he KNOWS/SPECIALIZES in this material he can teach you it because he knows it.

Some one else, John, SPECIALIZES in identifying the patterns that you learned in the 120 page book (he knows how to identify these patterns on the chart).
Since he SPECIALIZES in it and KNOWS how to do it, he will teach it to you and test you on it. However he is NOT a Profitable trader and he is a FAILED SCREEN TRADER as well.

Failed screen traders who don't know sht about profitable screen trading provide metrics on other screen traders' accounts for the purpose of their FUNDING and DEVELOPMENT

They do this to make money from the combine since they cannot make money themselves, JUST like all the other pit traders who failed to transition to screen trading get into the businesses I outlined in the other posts.
So their Metrics are worthless together with their education since their education and metrics are taken from their failed screen trading wisdom for the purpose of making money from the combine to run it like a business.


IF the trader gets funded with the metrics/restrictions set on his account by the losing screen traders the trader will be given a 30k account with a $1,500 max loss on the whole account.

IN ADDITION there will be ONE more restriction on his account, and that is he will be REQUIRED to trade with a max position size of 1 contract until he builds up his account in the restricting environment the losing screen traders provide him.

With trading the odds are already against you, especially with day trading. However, they apply their losing screen trading wisdom to make sure the odds are even more against you.

The reason that I say these things is because I have done my research on real PROFESSIONAL VERIFIED traders, as I have said in the previous posts my friends, and I know the big difference with learning from them, 100% honest and accountable, and being fed all of these REASONS and EXCUSES from FAILED SCREEN TRADERS who run a TRADING BUSINESS and are unprofitable themselves.

Do you really believe their failed trading bogus that they run. I HAD MYSELF, since I was committed to becoming a consistent part time earner in the markets, I really understand.

So it doesn't matter what these already failed screen traders come up with because they don't know anything like all of the other pit traders who failed to transition and run similar businesses with the same intentions.

 

[RealTrader]

Yes, I am. Real Trader. Listen to me very carefully. Your comments I'm quoting below are libelous. You made these comments. You have provided ZERO proof to back up your claims. Listen to me, you are treading on shaky ground here. This case against you is a slam dunk. They will take you to court and as God as my witness, they will get a judgement against you. I'm not joking here. You are calling them out by name and making accusations that are intentionally defamatory.

My friend like I said, again and again and in those full posts, I question is it possible to learn from someone that we cannot prove is a profitable screen trader. Even though they were profitable pit traders and have a lot of knowledge and are great people, can that knowledge help US the SCREEN Traders

Do you know how you Identify a professional profitable screen trader? they screen trade for their living. If there is no track record then we question that, and assume if the possibility of them being not profitable screen traders like most people and then also question if we can learn KNOWLEDGE for US the traders. Have you asked these people if they screen trade for a living? have they sad no and joke about it as it is too hard to transition? so we question can we learn from someone who may not be a profitable screen trader.

You really make those accusations on yourself, everything you accuse me and others of, that is all you do. You seek pleasure to gain dominance on a online forum, you do not actually discuss or communicate on topic, all you do is mislead everyone with your bogus because you may be mentally ill. Please take your own advice and seek medical help.

 

[Maverick74]

My friend like I said, again and again and in those full posts, I question is it possible to learn from someone that we cannot prove is a profitable screen trader. Even though they were profitable pit traders and have a lot of knowledge and are great people, can that knowledge help US the SCREEN Traders

That is NOT what you said.

You called them out by name and explicitly stated with no proof that they ARE failed screen traders. You did not "simply ask a question". Your words, not mine, are in the posts above. I am forwarding your comments to Michael Patak and his legal counsel. I am a man of my word.

 

[Turveyd]

I love how people on this board think these guys are making millions. I would say there is a 50% probability they are not even profitable as a firm. Because if the money was easy, if it was such a lock, then like you said, why aren't any of the 10,000 vendors out there doing it? There is a general law in the universe that has held since Babylonian times, if something really works, everyone will imitate it. And the few firms that even tried crashed and burned. Nobody is trying to get into this. So if there really was millions to be made here, trust me, there would be 50 to 100 firms offering it. Of course since hardly anyone on ET has ever run a business before, it does not surprise me that so few people understand how hard it is to run one.

Or maybe, not everyone has the low moral's of this place.

Anyone know of anyone that's made a profit out of TST ??

 

[shiko2000]

I am hopefully getting live funding. Cross fingers. TST kindly provided me with demo to trade exactly as I traded before to keep my trading sharp while awaiting funding. 2-3 weeks as I was told.
Market now is pretty bad. Liquidity is a fraction of what it used to be just 2 months ago. It's good I will be able to keep trading while things are moving.
Hope September contract will become more liquid soon.