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Top Ten Signs Your Country May Be Going Fascist
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Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
4. Abu Ghraib is the work of evil dictator Bush but when FDR interned U.S. citizens of Asian descent it was moral and just.
It is CONSERVATIVES such as Michelle Malkin, Daniel Pipes, and others who defend the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
Liberals today denounce FDR for his knee-jerk decision to approve of this egregious and unneccesary violation of civil liberties. They also denounce Malkin for her slippery scholarship.
I'd tackle the other nine sweeping/hasty generalizations you make, but it is New Years Eve, for chrissakes.
Happy New Year.
Quote from smilingsynic:
It is CONSERVATIVES such as Michelle Malkin, Daniel Pipes, and others who defend the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
Liberals today denounce FDR for his knee-jerk decision to approve of this egregious and unneccesary violation of civil liberties. They also denounce Malkin for her slippery scholarship.
I'd tackle the other nine sweeping/hasty generalizations you make, but it is New Years Eve, for chrissakes.
Happy New Year.
Who in the hell cares what Michelle Malkin thinks?
We're not discussing the 21st Century debate over internment. We're instead pointing out that the MOST LIBERAL PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY interned American citizens based on race/ethnicity. Did you know that Public Law 503 passed Congress without a dissenting vote?
You can argue all you'd like that internment is not Fascist (a word in the OP's thread). I disagree.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
Who in the hell cares what Michelle Malkin thinks?
We're not discussing the 21st Century debate over internment. We're instead pointing out that the MOST LIBERAL PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY interned American citizens based on race/ethnicity. Did you know that Public Law 503 passed Congress without a dissenting vote?
You can argue all you'd like that internment is not Fascist (a word in the OP's thread). I disagree.
Um, your list was about the 10 reasons why Democrats ARE idiots. That's present tense, the 21st century. YOUR words, not mine.
I am not arguing that internment is not fascist. There is no need to start putting words in my mouth.
Why do you assert that FDR was the "most liberal president" in US History when his policies on human rights were so questionable? Certainly FDR expanded the power of the federal government on economic matters, but later presidents such as Lyndon Johnson were far more liberal, supporting FDR's expansion of federal government and supporting civil rights.
The truth is, Republicans were more supportive of civil rights than Democrats until 1948, when Harry Truman ended segregation of the military. Many in the Deep South were so angry of this Democratic betrayal that they broke away, starting their own party, the Dixiecrats, and running Strom Thurmond as a candidate for president (they won several states, btw).
Since 1948, the Democratic Party has become over time the more liberal party on issues of race and ethicity, and Republicans started, especially in the 1960's, to become more conservative on race and ethicity.
People often forget that Republicans were historically strong in New England and weak in the South. Once the parties switched sides on race and ethnicity, the regions switched sides. Now, the most Republican states are Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana--the strongest supporters of segregation and racism. The most llberal states are in New England, and they are the most tolerant on race, ethnicity, gender, and on gay marriage.
I have to give you a certain amount of credit, Pabst. You're willing to be spectacularly wrong to get your point across.
In a sense you're like the ZTroll, in that these posts, with their wild and revisionist take on history, tend to unite otherwise disparate congregations of the ET faithful; rejection of your views seems to be a secular trend.
Others have shot down the absurdly partisan rhetorical flight in this thread; there's no need for me to reiterate, and I would only do it badly. Even the meanest intelligence can perceive that there are plenty of Republicans who are just as bad as the Dems in terms of their commitment to wrongheadedness.
There's a new movement forming on the right, one that has a lot of appeal for congenital liberals like me. I just hope you don't get left behind.
In a sense you're like the ZTroll, in that these posts, with their wild and revisionist take on history, tend to unite otherwise disparate congregations of the ET faithful; rejection of your views seems to be a secular trend.
Others have shot down the absurdly partisan rhetorical flight in this thread; there's no need for me to reiterate, and I would only do it badly. Even the meanest intelligence can perceive that there are plenty of Republicans who are just as bad as the Dems in terms of their commitment to wrongheadedness.
There's a new movement forming on the right, one that has a lot of appeal for congenital liberals like me. I just hope you don't get left behind.
Quote from smilingsynic:
It is CONSERVATIVES such as Michelle Malkin, Daniel Pipes, and others who defend the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
Liberals today denounce FDR for his knee-jerk decision to approve of this egregious and unneccesary violation of civil liberties. They also denounce Malkin for her slippery scholarship.
I'd tackle the other nine sweeping/hasty generalizations you make, but it is New Years Eve, for chrissakes.
Happy New Year.
Michelle Malkin is a neo-conservative fascist.
Quote from traderNik:
I have to give you a certain amount of credit, Pabst. You're willing to be spectacularly wrong to get your point across.
In a sense you're like the ZTroll, in that these posts, with their wild and revisionist take on history, tend to unite otherwise disparate congregations of the ET faithful; rejection of your views seems to be a secular trend.
Others have shot down the absurdly partisan rhetorical flight in this thread; there's no need for me to reiterate, and I would only do it badly. Even the meanest intelligence can perceive that there are plenty of Republicans who are just as bad as the Dems in terms of their commitment to wrongheadedness.
There's a new movement forming on the right, one that has a lot of appeal for congenital liberals like me. I just hope you don't get left behind.
So Nik, is it then your view if given the choice of
a. Allow Hitler and Stalin to duke it out undetered, or,
b. Join with Stalin
that B was the unquestionable best choice? Can you argue that the U.S.S.R. was any better a guardian of human rights than Nazi Germany?
As a successful futures trader the last thing I worry about is sentiment being on my side. I court disagreeing consensus.
I believe the following.
1. FDR sought war as a remedy to the great Depression. In 1941 over 14% of American's were unemployed, in 1942 unemployment was under 2%.
2. I believe the U.K. was jealous of a strong new kid on the block Germany flexing their military muscle and dim wittingly aided Russia in their eventual dominance of Eastern Europe.
3. FDR was an admirer of Russia's socialist struggle and wanted the U.S.S.R. to prosper.
4. FDR forced Japan into attack, knew of the attack before hand, and surmised that the Tri-Axis Pact would cause Germany to effect war with America.
5. While neither Germany nor Japan were ideological enemies of America nor aggressors in policy against America, both were fighting the nations of Russia and China who became MAJOR enemies of the United States. Hence FDR was the single worst President in U.S. history.
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:
So Nik, is it then your view
My views are informed by the repeated, consistent and clear-headed refutations of your historically revisionist claims by commentators from all bands of the ET political spectrum. My views are further informed by my analysis of your statements on these boards regarding your brutal and ignorant racism, sexism, homophobia, and religious hatred, exemplified by your laughably mundane whining about gays and your admission that Adolph Hitler is one of your personal heroes.
I stopped worrying about the particulars a few years back. They are well known.
In you we have the classic example of a bigot - bigoted in all ways, not just in terms of race. Indeed, you are an exemplar for the failure of education in the United States; you're someone with apparently average intelligence who developed these pathological hatreds because you had no guidance.
As I said, your brand of bigotry has some resonance with a certain element here; thus your standing in the ET community, which seems pretty high (but in fact is not that high because the right thinking majority don't bother to express their revulsion at your 'views').
On the positive tip, you did do a nice job of outing that whole VN thing, even if the thread was deleted. That was pretty cool.