Top Ten Reasons Recession Will Last "Forever"

Quote from EdgeHunter:

Libertad... Every time you mention the 10/5 Consumption Tax only (which is a death to the IRS mandate) I just tingle all ova... :D

I hope in my life time i see the IRS choke to death... in agony...

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To live under govt. threat everyday....and to furthermore have hard earned money wasted and garnered by those that game the system.....has to end....

A 10/5 C tax basically RE-ESTABLISHES AMERICA....

Because at the moment....

AMERICA IS NOT AMERICA....
 
Over on Kitco, of all places, I found this:

“The United States, it is said, has lost its manufacturing base.”

“We no longer produce anything. We import all our goods from China.”

“China is a manufacturing giant and America is a dying economy.”

These are myths.

The fact is that The US produces 20% of the world's manufactured goods. It is the number one manufacturer in the world. China produces 12%. That's right we produce almost twice what China does...

To say that we no longer produce anything is absurd. And yet, you hear it all the time. The US leads the world in production. Japan, China, Canada, Mexico, and Europe, fall far behind the US, in that order.

The Carlisle Company's CEO was interviewed on CNBC last week. Carlisle has chosen to close its tire manufacturing plant in China and bring all of its American employees back home. He was asked "why"? The reason he gave was that US workers are more productive than the Chinese. "They produce a better product and are less expensive than Chinese workers".

How is this possible? The average Chinese worker makes 300 dollars per year! The answer according to Carlisle is that the US worker is more educated, therefore, more productive. With the proper use of new machinery and technology Americans produce more per man hour than any other worker in the world including the Chinese. They also produce a better quality product according to Carlisle. And quality is how you gain and keep your market. And then there's the Chinese government to deal with. The bureaucracy is a nightmare and is time consuming and expensive in terms of lost productivity.

When all was said and done, he said, the experiment to open up in China failed. This is only one example of why America is so competitive - less bureaucracy, better tools, and higher education. One can only wonder how much the US would be capable of exporting if allowed to. The only reason we constantly run trade deficits is that we consume more than we produce. But we still export in total dollar amounts about the same as China. We just don't export more than we import from China, or Europe, or Japan for that matter. The reason? Because those governments are protectionist and will not allow their citizens to buy American goods without permission.

If we had free trade in the world, there is no doubt that American exports would soar and we would lead all nations in exports and be a surplus nation. The fact is, when it comes to manufacturing nobody does it better. After all, it is America where most new products originate from. America innovated its way out of the agricultural economy by creating the manufacturing economy. And we innovated our way out of the manufacturing economy and into the new high-tech economy we enjoy today. America is the Fountainhead of innovation in the world and has been for over two hundred years.

http://www.kitco.com/ind/nadler/aug242009.html

Selah.
 
I trade GDX, so I go there all the time. From what I see around here, I might be the only sane person who trades the above and visits Kitco.
Or maybe I'm crazy and they're all sane?
 
Quote from trefoil:

You guys need to do a little research of your own.
If you do, you'll notice the pattern here happened before. You have exited a period of stability, and entered a period of instability. But just as periods of stability have their shocks - ask investors in LTCM - so too periods of instability have intervening periods of calm.
Also, if you think this is so horribly terrible - you're young. Things were this bad in 81 and 82 re employment, in the seventies you had gas lines and NYC went bankrupt, and on and on.
From the way these posts read, you'd think there'd never been a downturn before. And every time there is one, all this doomsaying comes out. It's fun at first, but after the 100th guy thinking he's saying something original and bold, it gets old.

Pardon me sir, but this is shaping up to be worse than 1981 or the 1970s. We were a creditor nation in those days. What is going to bring us out this time?
 
See above. I already said I don't really know when asked this question once. I guessed a bit. But this isn't a planned economy. No one can tell you the real answer to that question. Anyone who thinks they can is a liar.
Ditto to anyone who thinks this is the last gasp of the American economy.
 
Dr. Z, I don't think you understand the purpose of what BLSH posts. Yes, if he were short (or not long) then he lost money/missed profits because of his views but at no time have I ever seen him post something that read, "go short because of this." He just posts information and shares his thoughts and views. He sounds highly educated to me and what he offers has tremendous value, but not from a trading standpoint.

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

This is what you fail to grasp. If and when this market (any market) turns most of us will be short before you can post another whine bag article. Until then you are missing out while we make money.
 
Quote from ByLoSellHi:

Tell us when the jobs lost will return, from what source, and whether they'll be at the same wage levels, like all three things happened (plus employment growth) in the early 80s.

Who will do the hiring? What wages? What will these now unemployed do?

You know, Green jobs, windmills...just like in history..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote
 
Quote from Mercor:

You know, Green jobs, windmills...just like in history..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote

Right. I agree - Obama's talk of "new jobs" and "green jobs" has been misleading at best, and manipulatively hyperbolic at worst.

By the way, I still firmly believe we are headed lower on economic activity than the wost levels of last year and March, and that equity indexes will follow. We already have, as of today, new warnings of fresh bank losses in very significant amounts, and overseas, we now have evidence governments such as Germany's are holding back negative economic data intentionally until after this year's elections there.

I've never recalled so much plain view government deception and manipulation on all things economic.

Any objective review of the most important economic data paints a very grim prospect for the road ahead.
 
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