To those of you who DAYTRADE WITHOUT CHARTS - what do you use?

If you are a daytrader, and you don't really use charts, what do you use?
The only thing i'm really aware of is Time+sales/Depth Of market / order book type stuff.

From my years on trading forums it seems clear that nobody is actually able to make money from trading charts.
Most lose money before your eyes, and the very few who claim to be able to do so are usually selling books/courses etc.
The successful ones claim not to use charts, but are fairly guarded about what they do use.
I never understand why, though.
It would suggest that what they use is so powerful, that by simply telling me what it is, i'd have the keys to the kingdom. Surely just knowing what that 'thing' is wouldn't be enough. There's still be work to do!!?

I did try the DOM/Time+sales route for about 3 months, but I didn't learn anything.
I guess I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for.
It just seems like random movement on the ladder, and I couldn't see any patterns in the various things I was noting, such as bid/ask size.

If you are a successful daytrader and don't use charts, do you use the things mentioned above or something else?
If something else, can you shed any light?
 
The only traders on this site who know the answers to your question are probably convex and sellindexvol666.
I doubt they'll tell you how they do it.
The rest of us on here are playing around with lines on charts, lol.

I think the way forward for you is to find someone IN REAL LIFE (not an alias on a forum) make friends. See if you can persuade him to give you some real ways to make consistent money away from the usual stuff we all talk about that everyone uses and fails with.

Good luck!
 
I don't use the chart to trade, but I use it to find levels. Like I buy off new lows in stocks with +2.50 range and less than 10M volume with large (100+) bids that hold support. I have a stop placed under those bids. Then I just ride the rally to a level in the chart or the open, yesterday's close, etc. I don't have anything on the charts. I don't trade bullshit like MACD, RSI, etc.
 
I don't use the chart to trade, but I use it to find levels. Like I buy off new lows in stocks with +2.50 range and less than 10M volume with large (100+) bids that hold support. I have a stop placed under those bids. Then I just ride the rally to a level in the chart or the open, yesterday's close, etc. I don't have anything on the charts. I don't trade bullshit like MACD, RSI, etc.

I believe it's in the spirit of this thread that if you look at charts to find levels then you're using charts to trade. I only use charts to find levels, too. I don't care if something's been deep in some indicator's overbought" zone for the past two hours, I'll still be buyer until price behavior tells me the buyers are lightening up. But I still look at charts because it seems rather silly to just watch time & sales or the DOM and create a picture of the price movement in your head when a chart displays it right in front of your eyes.
 
I believe it's in the spirit of this thread that if you look at charts to find levels then you're using charts to trade. I only use charts to find levels, too. I don't care if something's been deep in some indicator's overbought" zone for the past two hours, I'll still be buyer until price behavior tells me the buyers are lightening up. But I still look at charts because it seems rather silly to just watch time & sales or the DOM and create a picture of the price movement in your head when a chart displays it right in front of your eyes.


Evolution and the visual cortex. If ever there was a line of least resistance.
 
I trade without charts,only with sense of direction and what price I want to get in and get out. I always think charts are distracting my trading.

I donot believe charts contains the information I am looking for. I feel the market through my sense of direction.

DIRECTION, market participant's involvement, speculation
 
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