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Christians crushed the Klan. The government at one point waged an all out war against the "Christian" Knights of the Klu Klux Klan.

Yet, the Muslim equivalent is allowed to run wild in Muslim countries.

Why?

They do not follow their teachings. The are the Islamic Klan. They murder innocents in direct contradiction of their faith.


"It is not permissible to kill women or children unless they are fighting against the Muslims." ('Umdat al-Salik, o9.10).

"It is not permitted to kill women and children in battle, nor elsewhere, as long as they are not fighting..." (Mawardi, Al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah, 4.2).

They do not follow the Koran itself.

[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

Some of us familiar with Al-Islam are very curious as to why Muslims allow these thugs to usurp your faith.
 
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Great points....

Having studied most of the Islamic philosophers...their version of a Luther or Wycliffe have been lacking.
 
Bump.

Since Syrian National Sameeh has decided to post, maybe he will take a stab at what we Westerners c when young men randomly blow themselves up.

U state that Israel blow up women and children.

No argument.

Be Muslims and wage war like Allah mandates Muslims to do according to your Book.

Why don't Muslims condemn false prophets?
 
false prophet is an oxymoron...anybody that beleives in prophets is stupid enough to buy a shamwow towel and any crap that billy mays throws at you....religion is a joke.Religion is an act of narcissism and self agrandizement etc...
 
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You have a religion DSQ!
Religion may be defined as a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
You apparently are zealous in knocking other people's religions whether they are morally centered or not so that is your religion.
 
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Great points....

Having studied most of the Islamic philosophers...their version of a Luther or Wycliffe have been lacking.
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Martin Luther was a REALLY BAD GUY -- a Christian version of Mohammed! His works served as major Nazi propaganda against the Jews. Heinrich Himmler wrote admiringly of his writings and sermons on the Jews in 1940. His works were fully in-line with the Final Solution, and they were practically Christian dogma.
Martin Luther advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, smashing up their homes, and ensuring that these "poisonous envenomed worms" be forced into labor or expelled "for all time."[107] He also seemed to sanction their murder,[108] writing "We are at fault in not slaying them."[109]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther#Antijudaism_and_antisemitism
 
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Martin Luther was a REALLY BAD GUY -- a Christian version of Mohammed! His works served as major Nazi propaganda against the Jews. Heinrich Himmler wrote admiringly of his writings and sermons on the Jews in 1940. His works were fully in-line with the Final Solution, and they were practically Christian dogma.
Martin Luther advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, smashing up their homes, and ensuring that these "poisonous envenomed worms" be forced into labor or expelled "for all time."[107] He also seemed to sanction their murder,[108] writing "We are at fault in not slaying them."[109]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther#Antijudaism_and_antisemitism
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Yes, Bernard, the crimes committed against non-christians in the name of Christ is inexcusable and indefensible.

Bad people sometimes do good things, and vice versus.

Luther, despite all his faults, saw the hypocrisy of the church , and acted to expose it.
 
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Are you sure that he acted in good faith to expose it or maybe he was just seeking self-aggrandizement?

He rejected Aristotle's philosophy of reason, and supplanted it with his bastardized interpretations of the Scriptures.

He really did nothing to correct the faults of the Church. He just supplanted one evil for another. The Church did not want to share the teachings of the Bible because they would empower the peasants, but he shared his perverted teachings of the Bible alright, and there was the Peasants War, and other unpleasant conflicts.

Look at his life. The man spent his life in search of theological controversies. Does that ring a bell with anybody famous or infamous you know from Islam?
 
And so, here are two christians, battling out over image concerns.

Jews have the Anti-Zionists League or something that that.

Where is Al-Islam on Hamas, or Al-Quaida?

Where?

Hello, hello, hello, is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me......
Is there anyone home????
 
I made many posts on this subject already ARealGannTrader. Check out my thread history. The sayings that you list from the Qur'an were superseded by other sayings in the Qur'an when Mohammed fled from Mecca to Medina that were a little less tolerant. How about these quotes from the Qur'an, and there are many more of a similar nature?

The Qur'an tells us: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65).

Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews "until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the "non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water" (14:17). It asks the Muslims to "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34). And tells us that "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (22:19-22) and that they not only will have "disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)" (22:9). The Qur'an says that "those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy" (25:68). For those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (48:13).

Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be "harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a "stern command": "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour" (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9).
 
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