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Quote from axeman:

Now what is YOUR model for ID and what observable data
have you collected which FITS this model better than any other???
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I can show you 70 animal phyla springing existence in less than 10 million years in the fossil record. What else do you want me to show you? Again, short of videotaping the events, I can't do anything else and you know it.

There's clearly nothing else I can do until the mapping of various genomes happens. That should eventually solve it once and for all for both of us, but it will be years before that happens...
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I didn't mean hurting in the sense of biologists are flocking to leave evolution - that's clearly NOT the case! But traditional Neo-Darwinism fueled by genetics is hurting for explanations.
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I really have no idea what you're talking about. The theory of evolution states that genetics are the mechanism of change and that's proven by emprical evidence (i.e., that genes do in fact exist, they pass traits from generation to generation, they can mutate, etc.) There is nothing in dispute about any of this amongst intelligent, rational people. As I said, certain nuances of the theory as it relates to genetics are in debate but so what? Certain nuances of every theory are in debate but it does not make them any less valid. A theory must accurately describe the universe and to a degree predict it given certain data. Again, evolutionary theory does that just fine. None of the major points of the theory are in dispute. You are trying to inflate minor details and introduce strawmen to disprove the theory. Sorry, but it won't work. I challenge you to point me to one piece of scientific evidence in support of creationism. (And it should easy. If the universe is as young as creationists claims, you should be able to point to ample geologic or astronomic data to support the young age.) Failing to do that you should at least admit that you believe in creationism solely because you think it's a nice idea and makes you feel more comfortable that a supreme being decides your fate and not yourself.
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

I can show you 70 animal phyla springing existence in less than 10 million years in the fossil record. What else do you want me to show you? Again, short of videotaping the events, I can't do anything else and you know it.
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How does that disprove evolution?
 
I can show you 70 animal phyla springing existence in less than 10 million years in the fossil record.

And how in the world does this support the model for ID???
Its a non-sequitor. Thats the point.

What else do you want me to show you? Again, short of videotaping the events, I can't do anything else and you know it.

In other words, you concede that you have NO supporting
evidence for the ID hypothesis.


In this case.... evolution clearly wins as the far strong theory,
over the ID hypothesis.


peace

axeman
 
>I say this is evidence - again not proof - because it
>is exactly what you would expect if there was a Creator.
>involved in the early stages of life.

>Whether you want to admit or not, my model is simply
>better than your model for explaining the Origin of Life
>and early fossil record.

Once again Shoe falls back on the "it's what you would expect from a creator" argument. His position is so laden with hindsight that he would drown attempting to ferry it across a damp surface.

BTW, Shoe, you never answered my question asked on that other thread regarding this subject...

If life on earth is just as you would "expect" it to be if there was a creator...why does Mars look the way it does? I suppose you of course in your infinite hindsight would also "expect" that he would have chosen that particular landscape as well.

JB
 
Quote from Nolan-Vinny-Sam:

:D :D
I guess that's why we invaded Iraq.. sadam couldn't prove the negative...or scumya and cabal couldn't prove the positive?:D :D :D gears turning yet?...:D :D
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Shut up.
 
Quote from axeman:

I can show you 70 animal phyla springing existence in less than 10 million years in the fossil record.

And how in the world does this support the model for ID???
Its a non-sequitor. Thats the point.
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Right, guys! 70 - animal phyla springing into exitence in less than 10 million years is no big deal. Gimme a break...

And you guys wonder why layman don't trust science? It's because the garden variety science pundits will not make the most simple of admissions...
 
You still dont get it shoe.

This is nothing more than an attack on evolution.

It is NOT SUPPORTING EVIDENCE for ID in any way.

You seem to think if you attack science and evolution enough
it somehow supports your ID story.

This is NOT the case. *** ID MUST STAND ON ITS OWN ***.

It doesnt. It falls flat on its face. Its as absurd as:
"The easter bunny spawned the life 70 millions years ago
because that is exactly how I would expect life to spring
forth in my opinion".

You have no rational basis to believe the life springing forth
70 million years ago is due to ID. Besides... we all know the
earth is only 10,000 years old right? :D


peace

axeman


Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Right, guys! 70 - animal phyla springing into exitence in less than 10 million years is no big deal. Gimme a break...

And you guys wonder why layman don't trust science? It's because the garden variety science pundits will not make the most simple of admissions...
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