Tips on the Mental Game

Quote from intradaybill:

You are absolutely correct. Warren Buffett and Steven Cohen have a black belt.


:D

they have other ways to control themselves. It is a secret they will never reveal. plus, they are not small trader. they don't have mental problem but laugh at small traders
 
Quote from emg:

they have other ways to control themselves. It is a secret they will never reveal. plus, they are not small trader. they don't have mental problem but laugh at small traders
emg, the more you post, the more people laugh at you

otherwise, send me a picture of you and Warren laughing at me
 
Quote from oldtime:

emg, the more you post, the more people laugh at you

otherwise, send me a picture of you and Warren laughing at me
emg is just another crackpot who blew up and has devoted his life to trying to figure out why and who to blame it on.

Sometimes it is not enough capital

Sometimes it is because you need to work for Goldman Sachs

Now his new thing is you need a really good degree

What's next?

All he knows is 90% lose, they just lose
 
Quote from Redneck:

BD

Glad to indulge you Sir…, and You are Very Welcome


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Assuming there is adequate R:R…,

Am I likely to pull the trigger, often taking small losers…

or

Do I wait on perfect setups, and risk missing out entirely

Many ways to answer your question BD

No…, Yes…., Maybe…, come to mind… :eek:

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Do perfect setups exist – yes (and if you would like to discuss this further simply say so)

Do less than perfect setups exist – yes…

Do I trade each – yes, unfortunately…

Do I miss out on moves – yes at times

Are entries one way I grade myself as a trader – You Betcha

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Taking anything less than a perfect set up is…, by default…, assuming more risk

So then the question is; Is assuming more risk appropriate?

The only acceptable answer is – only if the reward is commensurate...

Most times it aint…, and/ or often times we don’t know if it is - until it is too late.

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As a rule…, and the only advice I would share is…

Only take perfect set ups

Yup it takes patience…, and considerable tolerance for missing moves… but they also provide clear entries, targets, and most importantly, small risk


Having said this…, truth is…, sometimes I do take less than perfect setups…. Because I get impatient…, opinionated…, susceptible… (I’m only human)

But… NEVER would I make a habit out of it – nor a profitable career over the long haul


I absolutely know…, taking only perfect setups is the right way to trade…

I also absolutely know…, sometimes I screw up…

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Market is already tough enough…, no sense in helping – and/or – making it easier for – the market to take our money…

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Couple of additional thoughts

Absolutely nothing stopping a trader from adding additional perfect setups to his/ her tool bag – thereby diminishing further the need to take less than perfect setups – It only takes a few criteria to make one

Also..

One big difference between gambling / guessing… and trading – is our setups, and our ability to wait till they’ve materialized - imo of course

RN

Very good points. To me I think an experienced trader can get away with more small losses because they know how to ride big winners & size up more appropriately...

As a human myself, I began 'anticipating' setups. Why not - I can get a better price catching the entire move. Then I realized it's not a setup until you see it happen AND even if it does, chances are I've been knocked around a little bit and as a result almost always exit early.

I have noticed even more today how PA works. It can be as easy as A-B-C 1-2-3. Or maybe B-C 2-3??
 
Quote from BobbiDigital:

To me I think an experienced trader can get away with more small losses because they know how to ride big winners & size up more appropriately...


You are fooling yourself…. And I wouldn’t call it getting away with


You are correct in that experienced traders have small losses, then sit patiently while monitoring winners as they run and cover their losses..., and gain profit

You are incorrect thinking their small losses come from anything other than solid setups


Perfect setups, at times, will lose – as they must (it’ll take some thought to figure out why – but it would be time well spent)

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Doubtful I can convince you otherwise… rest assured the market…, and time – will…

Else they will break you


BD, every time you win some…, but then lose more – it would do you well to recall this post Sir

I can assure you, with your current thinking - it is going to happen


Just one dumbass redneck’s experience… and nothing more

RN
 
make no mistake, I can't get away with it

that is good to know, and I appreciate the thought why good setups have to fail - very VERY interesting, more to ponder. my first thought would be the stock's beta. Market movements as a whole can trump individual patterns :confused:
 
u guys should ask people like don bright or maverick74 how they began their career.


Did they started their trading career subscribing 3rd party education vendors (u can make $50K in 3 months).

Did they trade at home?
 
Quote from BobbiDigital:

make no mistake, I can't get away with it

that is good to know, and I appreciate the thought why good setups have to fail - very VERY interesting, more to ponder. my first thought would be the stock's beta. Market movements as a whole can trump individual patterns :confused:



BD

Glad I didn’t put you off with my last post

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Irrefutable fact

The market is uncertain; hence anything can happen at any moment

This does not mean it is random… it simply means it is uncertain

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That said, no amount of rules will make a perfect set up profitable 100% of the time (see above irrefutable fact)

Can setups be perfect – yes

Will perfect setups be profitable 100% of the time – nope

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A trader can trade perfectly…, and still lose any given trade (or series of trades)

So why exacerbate this – by trading anything less than perfect setups

RN
 
Quote from Redneck:

BD

Glad I didn’t put you off with my last post

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Irrefutable fact

The market is uncertain; hence anything can happen at any moment

This does not mean it is random… it simply means it is uncertain

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That said, no amount of rules will make a perfect set up profitable 100% of the time (see above irrefutable fact)

Can setups be perfect – yes

Will perfect setups be profitable 100% of the time – nope

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A trader can trade perfectly…, and still lose any given trade (or series of trades)

So why exacerbate this – by trading anything less than perfect setups

RN

RN,

How do you feel about entering at consolidation in the appropriate areas? Seems vital for several reasons. If this is overly simple and a beginner question - perfect. Amazing how a once complex system of thoughts has simplified into common sense thru observation. As a follow up, are then measured moves based on an initial break?

I understand if this is too much. Feel free to rip into me anytime. :D
 
Quote from BobbiDigital:

RN,

How do you feel about entering at consolidation in the appropriate areas?

Seems vital for several reasons. If this is overly simple and a beginner question - perfect.

Amazing how a once complex system of thoughts has simplified into common sense thru observation.


As a follow up, are then measured moves based on an initial break?

I understand if this is too much. Feel free to rip into me anytime. :D




What are appropriate areas??? (obviously I would say absolutely yes to entering at the appropriate areas – if I only knew what they were)
:confused:

And it depends on how one is measuring, a measured move - as to what it should be based on


Not giving you much to work with – am I… but then I could say – you’re not asking very specific questions

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I am of the opinion – unless price is making a new all time high/ low, then it is a range

Always trade the moves – whether they are back and forth, or are remaining in one direction for awhile

That is unless the back and forth moves are too small to trade

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Moves can be measured in time, waves, cycles, Fibonacci, price, distance/ ruler (recall NOD’s 2 cm measurement :) and don't laugh because it did work) – and a few others

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No need to rip Sir, we're all learning - every day :)

RN
 
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