Timmay - you should do this

Quote from marketsurfer:

very true. which one of these guys wrote about it, however?? not many if any.

tim's marketing machine dwarfs cottle or most other self published authors for that matter. no comparision-----the book should be a huge success on several levels. if it gets into the right hands, no telling whats going to happen and i respect that.

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yeah because they're probably honest enough with themselves to know you can't write a book worth a damn about luck..There's no story there to where you should be so arrogant as to think you can help someone by writing about it. You can't teach someone how to win the lottery...even if you've bought 100,000 tickets....you get lucky, good...if not...well...too bad...

But I see the track...I think Tim's point is that he is gonna admit he is a once lucky trader who failed, and then start teaching people how to make income doing other things like self-marketing and selling trading advice. I see....
 
Quote from TimothySykes:

Luck was involved, but not as much as you and most people believe. It's frustrating that I can't tell you more.

And, yes, I believe all those networks are portraying the stock market incorrectly. I have a lot of ideas to remedy the situation and that's why I keep meeting with producers.

As for my story being unique, the fact that I made huge sums of money for 7 years trading the most volatile names without any training/mentoring. I don't claim to be perfect by any means, but I do claim that people everywhere can do this, too, and do definitely much better than me. They just need to be shown that with enough work and dedication, it's possible.

Just got a quote from Adam Mesh of Average Joe fame that says I'm the "Rudy of Wall Street." I love it--that's exactly what I want to be, score one for the little guy.
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I think OC's point is that:


YOU HAVE NOTHING NEW TO OFFER.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

no disrespect, OC. But who are you??? How many copies of that book sold--my guess is way less than 2000. seriously, man, you should be taking lessons from TS--- he is way more famous at a much younger age--this guy is going places, like him or not. this deserves respect, not veiled flaming.

regards,

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market surfer:

Who I am should not matter but my words ring true. I trade for a living and live off of my trading. Fame is not important to a trader except for the puspose of raising more capital. My book is meant to teach people to become better traders, not tell a story to the general public. the thing about me is that who I am is out there and not hidden at all. Went from a lawyer to full-time trader and as interesting as my story is, it is just a story. And if I wrote a book about it it would be interesting for about 5 minutes and that is it.

I have never said I dislike Tim or flamed him, I offered honest advice without any rhetoric or invectives although I threw in the occasional barb as a joke. And my book sales are much higher than you said but as I have said from the beginning you dont make real money writing a book uless you are selling 500,000 copies.
 
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Just got a quote from Adam Mesh of Average Joe fame that says I'm the "Rudy of Wall Street." I love it--that's exactly what I want to be, score one for the little guy.
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Average Joe.."fame"?

Yeah he had a show for like one season..that's fame for ya.

And let me be the first in line to take his advice on what a good book about wall street is.
 
Quote from Darkside:

wow, so maybe can write a booklet on how to execute orders, since he has so much practice. I am still missing your point as far as why he should be writing about sage advice in trading.
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the book is for the average joe, not pro traders. however, even pro traders will be totally entertained by it. the pure trading market is very very small, TS is going for a MUCH bigger audience, although pro traders is definately part of it--to entertain not educate at this level.

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Quote from marketsurfer:

the book is for the average joe, not pro traders. however, even pro traders will be totally entertained by it. the pure trading market is very very small, TS is going for a MUCH bigger audience, although pro traders is definately part of it--to entertain not educate at this level.

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uhhh, okay whatever you say clown.

Yeah, entertainment, I see the point...kinda like Jackass....entertaining for the dumb shit and hoopla...not for the story....
 
Quote from optioncoach:

market surfer:

Who I am should not matter but my words ring true. I trade for a living and live off of my trading. Fame is not important to a trader except for the puspose of raising more capital. My book is meant to teach people to become better traders, not tell a story to the general public. the thing about me is that who I am is out there and not hidden at all. Went from a lawyer to full-time trader and as interesting as my story is, it is just a story. And if I wrote a book about it it would be interesting for about 5 minutes and that is it.

I have never said I dislike Tim or flamed him, I offered honest advice without any rhetoric or invectives although I threw in the occasional barb as a joke. And my book sales are much higher than you said but as I have said from the beginning you dont make real money writing a book uless you are selling 500,000 copies.
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ok, point taken. however, self published one can sell far less than 500k and make a killing--i agree with a publisher your right.

no disrespect meant

best wishes,

surf
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

the book is for the average joe, not pro traders. however, even pro traders will be totally entertained by it. the pure trading market is very very small, TS is going for a MUCH bigger audience, although pro traders is definately part of it--to entertain not educate at this level.

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people like you are so goddamn ignorant
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

ok, if thats his thing, cool. but then he shouldn't be giving TS advice as he is on a FAR different life path-- and really can't relate to TS's goals/aspirations.

best,
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I have decent qualifications to comment on his publicly stated goals. You support him which is fine if you truly like the book

I am being objective because I like Tim and think he had an interesting start to a trading career but it has gotten derailed with this move to a book and thinking he can change the way financial news is reported. I am giving an objective opinion from someone who has nothing negative to say about him personally.

And I offered honest advice with no flames. Tim is moving from trading entirely to writing a book and appearing on TV as a journalist. Not a unique move so I caution him to forget about thinking that his cutting new ground and think about longevity. Once he turns his back on trading it is hard to go back and gain credibiliy again.
 
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