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Wallet said:
Hillary came across more polished but she said nothing. Trump had the better points but vocalized them horribly.
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In the early part of the debate when Trump stuck with his broad themes such as trade deals he was doing better. In the last hour of the debate Trump wandered down every rat hole that Clinton set the table on -- many times he was completely off message and fumbling around.
 
For the first time, much of what Trump stands for and has said has caught up with him. But, Clinton inside, believes that some of what Trump is saying is true and has real value.

But that is the difference. She listens and adapts and grows and learns. Trump just digs a bigger hole.
 
I think Hillary won but I think Trump had some good moments.I was watching the betting odds during the debate and they were shooting up for Hillary.Earlier today she was around 62 before the debates,now she's at 69.2 .Trump was around 32 before the debate,29.6 after.


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they both did better than the threshold they needed.

I think trump probably gained a bunch of on the fence independents. He did make good to great points prior to some rambles. (as was pointed out.) Who walks away thinking hillary will be better for jobs. Whereas lots of people know this guy's policies will create jobs.

Hillary presented well, but she presented nothing but air... or pun intended... co2. The only people she could have gained with her lack of substance were the people worried about her health. But she probably did not lose anyone either.
 
gwb-trading said:
In the early part of the debate when Trump stuck with his broad themes such as trade deals he was doing better. In the last hour of the debate Trump wandered down every rat hole that Clinton set the table on -- many times he was completely off message and fumbling around.
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Agreed. Listening to the talking heads recap the debate, I don't think they see things from the same perspective as the average voter, most of the time it was a snoozer. For the hype neither canadate delivered imo.
 
Trump is a disaster on foreign policy. But he makes one great point:
  • US is the police of the world in a NATO coalition.
  • And we pay an disproportionate amount of the cost.
That imo should disturb every US citizen who pays taxes.
 
nitro said:
Trump is a disaster on foreign policy. But he makes one great point:
  • US is the police of the world in a NATO coalition.
  • And we pay an disproportionate amount of the cost.
That imo should disturb every US citizen who pays taxes.
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Lol, why do you say he's a disaster? Hillary is the one who's responsible for today's foreign landscape. You like the way things are abroad?
 
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