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How many of the black people alive today were enslaved? Should the people whose ancestors were sent to Siberia to die also moan and protest every day? They don't, life goes on, they didn't personally suffer because of it, the parents or grandparents did. You're owed nothing in 2020.

point missed

What are these systemic racist policies you talk about? Do you mean getting preferential treatment when applying into universities? Asians didn't get it, they actually suffered because blacks were preferred over them even if they had worse scores as has been brought up over and over again.

too many to list, if you're not well versed in American History and policies targeting black folk's ability to move up, I can't help you. Google it

Many of the Asians in US come from far worse conditions and background than US blacks, yet anecdotally the ones I know do well because guess what, they get educated and get jobs.

debatable, foreigners have no idea how bad some of the ghettos are in the US

If you're a black youth in US, meaning your parents and most probably your grandparents were "free" in the economic sense, you should also have inherited some wealth.

sure, to a degree, the point is statistically speaking, the more people start off w/an even ground, the more successful people you'll end up with.

Black fathers are in jail because they're criminals, it's quite simple. They don't have to steal, it's who they are (by they I mean literally the specific people you talk about).

everyone's a criminal if you turn everything into a crime

I grew up in a shitty area, chasing thieves (who stole food!) as a teenager, being held up at knife point etc. as were most people who lived in the neighborhood. They lead pretty average lives now, nothing was given for free.

plenty of successful black folk that came from nothing. Anecdotes are useless when talking statistics

You can always find an excuse for your personal failure, as the BLM folks are.

My guess is BLM types will be complaining about the same stuff 50-100 years from now unless there's literally a 50% tax put on people that are not Black.

I take them at their word, and their grievance is well justified

Are you saying that blacks are so lazy and stupid that they can't do what millions of others do online without anyone knowing their race? Everyone is an exception except for blacks? You're a racist and insulting all blacks.
And btw, I'm not an exception, I did what I had to when no one else would give me a job.
I'm saying there's plenty immigrants who remain in poverty and plenty of black people who pull themselves from poverty
 
@d08, I've got a deceptively simple sounding question for you. African Americans represent over 13% of the population. Why do they represent less than 1% of Fortune 500 CEOs, with similarly large and definitely way beyond statistically significant lack of representation in C-suites, income over $500,000 or wealth over $1M numbers, or pretty much any other metric of monetary or career success you care to measure?
 
too many to list, if you're not well versed in American History and policies targeting black folk's ability to move up, I can't help you. Google it

You're talking about racist policies from 50 or more years ago. Are there any in the 21st century you can name?

debatable, foreigners have no idea how bad some of the ghettos are in the US

Conversely, Americans don't know how bad ghettos in parts of Eastern Europe can be.

everyone's a criminal if you turn everything into a crime

How is "everything" turned into a crime? Sure, I can agree that separating sentences for crack and cocaine is absurd as both are essentially the same drug. But it's not "everything". Let's not pretend the dads are in jail for 20 years for stealing a candy bar.

plenty of successful black folk that came from nothing. Anecdotes are useless when talking statistics

And you missed the point as well. Statistics support my conclusion.
 
@d08, I've got a deceptively simple sounding question for you. African Americans represent over 13% of the population. Why do they represent less than 1% of Fortune 500 CEOs, with similarly large and definitely way beyond statistically significant lack of representation in C-suites, income over $500,000 or wealth over $1M numbers, or pretty much any other metric of monetary or career success you care to measure?

Intelligence, impulse control and other genetic differences. That will be deemed racist nowadays despite being supported by evidence.
Similarly I would argue that why is NBA something like 75-80% African-American when they're only 13% of the population. Yet, THIS side of the argument would be ignored by many. Doubt you'd call the NBA racist?
We are not all genetically equal, never have been and never will be. Natural selection can change the situation but that will take some time and depends on the sexual selection in the black community. You still see "nerdy" black men being ridiculed in their own society much more than with other races, so I'm not being too hopeful.
In the end, people can pretend all they want and create legislation to fight it but biology is a hard science.
 
Intelligence, impulse control and other genetic differences. That will be deemed racist nowadays despite being supported by evidence.
Similarly I would argue that why is NBA something like 75-80% African-American when they're only 13% of the population. Yet, THIS side of the argument would be ignored by many. Doubt you'd call the NBA racist?
We are not all genetically equal, never have been and never will be. Natural selection can change the situation but that will take some time and depends on the sexual selection in the black community. You still see "nerdy" black men being ridiculed in their own society much more than with other races, so I'm not being too hopeful.
In the end, people can pretend all they want and create legislation to fight it but biology is a hard science.
Well you really disappointed me, I was actually going in on the assumption that you weren't going to go the racist route. So let me ask you, if you take black twins separated at birth and one stays with a black single mom living in public housing and the other goes to a successful, college educated family living in the suburbs, you think that due to genetic "impulse control" and intelligence (would love to see the "evidence" of that, btw) then 100 out of 100 times they'll both end up at the same place success-wise by age 50? You don't think environment, lack of role models, social norms, quality of education... all have an influence on success? If you've got a population of people who starts out in a shitty condition it's damn hard to get out of it as a newborn baby by your bootstraps without at least a set of role models and mentors and culture to get you there, it's pure hubris to believe you and I would be equally successful as we are if we'd been born in that environment.

That's before you even start to talk about the daily challenges you face as an educated black adult where full-on racism kicks in. Do you honestly think that you, with your idea that as a population blacks have lower overall intelligence and impulse control could, even if you strove to be completely and totally unbiased with an individual, give a fair interview evaluation to a black versus a white job candidate? You may be interested to read the story of switching to blind auditions in orchestra candidate selection (https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/orchestrating-impartiality-impact-“blind”-auditions-female-musicians). Historically professional classical musicians were highly weighted toward men. Those who hired musicians were most certainly not sexist, they truly believed they were completely impartial and that women as a class were equally suited to be musicians as men. And yet despite women making up a large number of auditions they were significantly under represented as hires. As an experiment, several symphonies switched to blind auditions, with the musician behind a curtain and no indication to those hiring what their sex was. Lo and behold, suddenly the number of female musicians hired increased almost fourfold. The participants were surprised, because as I said they honestly believed they held no discriminatory thoughts toward women, but clearly in practice they were indeed discriminating. Again, I ask you if these people who didn't hold ideas that a class of people were inferior as musicians couldn't be unbiased in selection despite their best efforts not to be, could someone who honestly believes that blacks as a group have impulse control issues and lower intelligence fairly select between blacks and non-blacks in interviews?

Could it be that a sport with defined rules and almost no subjectivity involved is one of the few places where a person can succeed or fail purely based on merit and skill at that task? Could it be that black people would be as successful at business as they are at sports if they grew up with role models that pushed for that, schools that gave them the background they needed, and a playing field that was as much of a meritocracy as the basketball court?
 
Intelligence, impulse control and other genetic differences. That will be deemed racist nowadays despite being supported by evidence.
Similarly I would argue that why is NBA something like 75-80% African-American when they're only 13% of the population. Yet, THIS side of the argument would be ignored by many. Doubt you'd call the NBA racist?
We are not all genetically equal, never have been and never will be. Natural selection can change the situation but that will take some time and depends on the sexual selection in the black community. You still see "nerdy" black men being ridiculed in their own society much more than with other races, so I'm not being too hopeful.
In the end, people can pretend all they want and create legislation to fight it but biology is a hard science.
and there it is, the devolution into a eugenics argument
 
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Could it be that a sport with defined rules and almost no subjectivity involved is one of the few places where a person can succeed or fail purely based on merit and skill at that task? Could it be that black people would be as successful at business as they are at sports if they grew up with role models that pushed for that, schools that gave them the background they needed, and a playing field that was as much of a meritocracy as the basketball court?

They have 25% more testosterone. That's on average. Now in extreme cases you (i guess) would find 30% - 35%.

That's - a lot. It's like being on TRT program all the time, but legally.
(ofcurse & ofcourse, - dosages in TRT program are much higher, but damn, 30% more...)

Also their nostrils are larger, that leads to a better oxygen absorption.

So it's not about the equality of opportunity, it's the outcome of biological inborn reasons.

Someone mentioned the other day, a study, where folks of different skin color, came from a decent background (not some gangs hood/project) and the success ratio, - wasn't that much of a different.
 
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