Thoughts on scaling up

Based on the very limited , less than required info you gave, it seems like this got nothing to do with
scaling in,
scaling out,
scaling up, or
scaling down or whatever.


I presume your max lot size is as per your money management.
Past few weeks, market environment / condition has changed significantly.
I am not sure if your trade plan is comprehensive enough to take care of changes in market
environment / condition.
also you changed your broker without explaining why.
also no idea how is your mind management.

since your write up is so imprecise, I can only assume your trading is equally imprecise.
Changing broker because it glitches and very slow execution. Not everyone has decades of experience and some of us started from scratch so we have to learn as time goes by. If my question was not up to your standards then you should have left it alone and moved on OR you could have just asked me to be a bit clearer.
 
If you are not hitting capacity constraints, it is all in your head. Automation is the best friend of scaling up. System had a bad day instead of I'm an idiot. Even if you automate paper trading so that you see how much your decisions cost.
 
Did not seem to play nice together? I'm not sure what you mean by this? Did something unexpecting occur? It might've not been scaling up but more so bad timing and once you scaled up you took a hit quick (which can happen easily), but I'm not sure why you'd be surprised? You should always calculate your profit/loss target PRIOR to order entry, so you know what to expect.

Cheers!
Did not seem to play nice together? I'm not sure what you mean by this? Did something unexpecting occur? It might've not been scaling up but more so bad timing and once you scaled up you took a hit quick (which can happen easily), but I'm not sure why you'd be surprised? You should always calculate your profit/loss target PRIOR to order entry, so you know what to expect.

Cheers!
If you are not hitting capacity constraints, it is all in your head. Automation is the best friend of scaling up. System had a bad day instead of I'm an idiot. Even if you automate paper trading so that you see how much your decisions cost.
It very well might be in my head. I just found it odd that when i doubled my position as soon as i got in price would immediately start dropping, and if i hit my stop then it would immediately start reversing and this happened several times so thats why it struck me as odd since it was very clear and down to the cent. The position equates to just under 100k. I understand that the p&l variation was going to change based on the larger position but i was just trying to get some input and see if this was something that commonly happens with larger size or like you said is just in my head. For a second i thought it might have something to do with my broker (TOS) but i doubt it. Im still somewhat new so i might be going about it completely wrong but as long as i learn along the way i wouldnt call it a total loss.
 
So I recently started trading with a much larger position and am skeptical as to what might be going on causing me to take extra losses. I trade intraday and follow momentum whichever direction that might be.Im currently with TD Ameritrade and am possibly going to be moving to another broker (currently looking and comparing). Recently I've noticed more and more that if I take a position on lets say "SPY" as soon as I place my order it almost immediately starts going against me; so my question is this, is it because of my position sizing, my broker, mm, or do I just have to change strategy to trade with a much larger position?

if i understand you correctly then the problem is easily fixable, i had a similar issue before where when i trade bigger its a loser trade, but found out it was no fault of the bigger position, it was simply a bad trade, but then i get shaken and on the next trade i take a bigger position then its a profitable one, i trade systematically so i play every hand that my system gives, depends on your style but in either case you need to systematize/quantify your position size and stick to it, meaning if for example you always take 2 contracts and u want to go to 3, u need to stick to it, because if ur trading is profitable over all, changing position size constantly based on how you feel in it self can turn the whole trading from profitable to losing, it would be even better if you can do it in terms of dollars, 10k per stock for example, this way you have no attachment to the quantity of the underlying besides that u know you are trading your STANDARD position size, across the board, across all instruments, this is done correctly can lead you to greatness, of course again assuming your profitable overall in the cumulative sum of your trades
 
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if i understand you correctly then the problem is easily fixable, i had a similar issue before where when i trade bigger its a loser trade, but found out it was no fault of the bigger position, it was simply a bad trade, but then i get shaken and on the next trade i take a bigger position then its a profitable one, i trade systematically so i play every hand that my system gives, depends on your style but in either case you need to systematize/quantify your position size and stick to it, meaning if for example you always take 2 contracts and u want to go to 3, u need to stick to it, because if ur trading is profitable over all, changing position size constantly based on how you feel in it self can turn the whole trading from profitable to losing, it would be even better if you can do it in terms of dollars, 10k per stock for example, this way you have no attachment to the quantity of the underlying besides that u know you are trading your STANDARD position size, across the board, across all instruments, this is done correctly can lead you to greatness, of course again assuming your profitable overall in the cumulative sum of your trades
Thank you for the help!
 
you are choking.
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One of the funniest but most practical questions on elitetrader= '' WHY does the market ALWAYs reverse when I get in?? '' The right answer= ''stop trading so large''LOL.
And don't confuse noise with signal...…………………………………………… Trend study helps; I also proved the market is not random- I lost far, far worse than average % 1st year I traded LOL
 
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One of the funniest but most practical questions on elitetrader= '' WHY does the market ALWAYs reverse when I get in?? '' The right answer= ''stop trading so large''LOL.
And don't confuse noise with signal...…………………………………………… Trend study helps; I also proved the market is not random- I lost far, far worse than average % 1st year I traded LOL


or do exact opposite of what you normally would get in :-) great stuff
 
or do exact opposite of what you normally would get in :) great stuff
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Great stuff.
One reason people make so much money in real estate;
they put $500 or a % earnest money as a deposit. And if things check out right/title deed inspection,.......... they buy the whole property.
That' s why scale in can work so well in stocks /ETFs
 
Its not that it goes against you. Its the timing of the trade thats wrong. The broker doesn't look to stop you out price does the stop. Probably investigate your trades
So I recently started trading with a much larger position and am skeptical as to what might be going on causing me to take extra losses. I trade intraday and follow momentum whichever direction that might be.Im currently with TD Ameritrade and am possibly going to be moving to another broker (currently looking and comparing). Recently I've noticed more and more that if I take a position on lets say "SPY" as soon as I place my order it almost immediately starts going against me; so my question is this, is it because of my position sizing, my broker, mm, or do I just have to change strategy to trade with a much larger position?
 
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