Quote from traderNik:
It is good to hear you say that Islamic extremism is sick and demented. In terms of the Zionist movement being sick and demented... again, are you saying that they are not necessarily a threat to me but they are a threat to Arabs? If this is the case, are you saying that the absurdly small number of Jews worldwide could ever pose a serious threat to the 1 BILLION Muslims? What you mean is that you find the existence of Israel sick and demented, isnât that right?
Again traderNik, we are not talking about Jews, we are talking about an ideology with one of the biggest following. An ideology that extends across the globe and an ideology that is in full control of this American administration. When you have the American might by the nose then you ratio you are presenting is irrelevant!!!
We are talking about
- Abrams, Elliott. (love him)
- Adelman, Kenneth (One of many Pentagon Advisors)
- Blakeman, Brad (White House Director)
- Bloomfield, Lincoln (Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs)
- Bodman, Samuel (Had huge influance on George Bush senior's policies)
- Bolten, Joshua B (Bush's Chief Policy Director)
- Bryen, Stephen
- Chavez, Linda
- Chertoff, Michael
- Cohen, Bonnie (Under Secretary of State)
- Cohen, Eliot (one of Rumsfeld's advisors)
- Davis, Ruth
- Dobriansky, Paula
- Edelman, Eric
- Feith, J. Douglas
- Feldman, Noah
- Fleischer, Ari
- Frum, David
- Gerson, Michael
- Gersten, Christopher
- Gildenhorn, Joseph
- Goldman, Adam
- Goldsmith, Steve
- Goldstein, Louis
- Grossman, Marc
- Haass, Richard
- Hannah, John
- Joseph, Robert
- Kagan, Donald
- Ledeen, Michael
- Ledeen, Simone
- Lefkowitz, Jay
- Levison, Joanna
- Libby, Lewis
- Luti, William
- Luttwak, Edward
- Maloof, F. Michael
- Melman, Ken
- Mylroie, Laurie
- Nuland, Victoria
- Perle, Richard
- Rhode, Harold
- Rodman, Peter
- Rubin, Michael
- Satloff, Robert
- Scheunemann, Randy
- Schlesinger, James
- Sembler, Mel
- Shulsky, Abram N
- Weinberger, Mark
- Wolfowitz, Paul
- Worden, Simon P
- Wurmser, David
- Yoran, Amit
- Zakheim, Dov
- Zelikow, Philip
- Zoellick, Robert
I mean...Hell man! With an army like this one stratigicly positioned in every important office in the American government; why would you be an army in Israel!
I Think what you are really saying is that Zionism is expansionist and fascist in terms of the land area called Israel. Is this not correct? You are speaking as someone sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. After all, this is the essence of Zionism, is it not? Israel as the Jewish homeland.
I am a Palestinian traderNik! I know it is not your concern but my grandfather's home was turned into a parking lot and the other grandfather's land was completely confiscated (Thousands of Donumes of fertile land). The man and his wife ended up dying in a refugee camp in Jordan.
Fuck the Jewish homeland!!!! The American Jew is being convinced, according to what ddddooo claims, that this state of Israel is like a refuge to all of the Jews around the world just in case the shit hits the fan. Right?????????????
Now why would the shit hit the fan in the US?????? What are the zionists trying to convey to the American Jews??? That the US is not to be trusted and that there will always be a chance that the shit will hit the fan, even in the US, and that if such thing happen, you will have the state of Israel???? WHAT???????
First of all, it is telling me that it is OK for you to lose your ancestor's land just in case a Brooklyn zionist decided to move and take over my land????
What does that tell the ordinary American?? That no matter what you do, us zionists will never ever trust you and therefore we have prepared a state for any fleeing Jew???
The thing is this â worldwide Muslim fanaticism encompasses much more than just the Palestine-Israel situation. Stop!!! Stop!!!!!!!!!!!! Just before you carry on! First of all, this is hog shit!!!
For the past 7 years, you have been spoon fed this bullshit by hundreds of websites controlled by zionists. Out of a sudden, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Arabs and Muslims became the new boogy man.
Let me ask you a question traderNik, how come there was no, no Islamic terrorism in the 60, 70, 80, and 90??? How come Arabs and Muslims never posed such danger on you??? How come, out of a sudden we became this big EVIL?????
You know why??? Because it is high time to use that card. The American people lost the communist boogy man and in desperate need for another one to justify the military dynasty in the US, The zionists and the state of Israel, along with the military industry directed the American mass's attention toward the new enemy. An Enemy that if you mobilize enough Americans against it in fear, these Americans will end up being their foot soldiers and foot the bill for any futures war israel sees fit in the region!!! And thank god we do not have the communists to distract us! And bingo!!! Islamo Fascism was born.
No buddy, they are not the threat!! They have never been a threat and we were always successful in crushing whatever small pockets that sprung out of nowhere. You do not belive me???? go ask the millions of Westerners who call the Middle East home!
For god sake what the fuck is wrong with you guys??? What kind of short term memory do you guys have???
Let me ask you a question There are leagues of Muslim fanatics who live in every country in the world, individuals who hold myself and my family in contempt because of our humanist ideals. The highest ranking religious leaders in the Muslim world condemned Salman Rushdie to death, wael. These were not rogue imams, loony cases that no one else in Islam cared about. The fatwa against Rushdie came from the very centre of the practice. The Bali bombings⦠what was the point there? Plainly, it was an attack on the Western way of life, a punishment for the dishonouring of Allah by the wanton display of sinful female flesh dressed in mini-skirts.
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And all of that is a disease!!! In the late 70s and 80s. These Terrorists that the American administration used to call Mujahedeen and freedom fighters because they were fighting the Russians, were free to collect funds and spread a new Islamic way of thinking, a militant one! That Islamic way of thinking was aided logistically, financially militarily by the US. They used to go to mosques and come out with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of donations. You know why traderNIK???? Because at that time the US needed them!! So the US, through their corrupt Arab regimes Marketed these sons of whores as the only true Islam! You know why traderNIK??? Because the US wanted younger Arab foot soldiers to fight their war in Afghanistan. The original Al Qaeda training camps were CIA training camps for these so called Mujahdeen. Anyone, including my father, who opposed them were threatened of losing their jobs or tabled communists or nationalists. I remember my father in the mid 80s warning about the Genie that the Americans and their Saudi and Pakistani satellite states were about to get out the bottle. They were viciously silenced!!! The American achieved 2 goals doing so. One is to crush every nationalist movement in the Middle East and the other is to use them against the Russians. And in both fronts, they have succeeded!!
Islamic fundamentalism will be easily defeated if I succeed in giving hope and dream to my youth. Islamic fundamentalism will be defeated if the causes that feed that fundamentalist way of thinking cease!!
Instead, the US is occupying Iraq, talks about freedom for everyone on earth except for the Palestinians and financially and militarily aid new fundamentalist radical Salafi groups like Fath Al Islam and Jundallah. As if the Sons of bitches never learned from their previous mistakes.
And tragically, the apparent thirst for vengeance also encompasses intra-Muslim violence. How many deaths have occurred as a result of Sunni-Shia fighting? Why do these people kill each other with such fervor?
Way more than ever happened to you!!! And while we are on that subject, let me tell you these three stories;
In Baghdad, American impose from dusk to dawn curfew on the area surrounding âAl Askaryâ mosque. During which time, no soul was allowed to leave his/ her home for fear that the American forces will shoot on the spot, Next morning was Friday and the Americans left the curfew. People leave their homes and head to âAl Askaryâ mosque for Friday prayer. After the prayer started, bombs went off in the mouse resulting in a massacre.
In Basrah, Iraqi police spotted a car occupied by two suspicious Arab looking men, wearing Arab Kufyahs and carrying AK47s and explosives, in a speeding car. The Iraqi police gave chase, the suspicious Arab looking men shot at them but finally surrender when it became clear to them that they were out numbered. It was found that these suspicious Arab looking men were British special forces soldiers.
In Basrah again, Basrah police tracked and captured the leaders of a suicide bombers ring that was responsible for numerous attacks. Upon interrogations, they admitted that they sent other suicide bombers and the targets they hit and planed to hit. Few hours later, a contingent of 1000 Special forces British forces arrive at the police head quarter and demand the release of these terrorists. When the police department refused, they were viciously attacked and the prisoners freed. The remaining police force was instructed to leave the police station. As soon as the police force left, the British special forces detonated the whole building. All of the paper trail and computer hard drives containing the information were destroyed.
And wael⦠why is it that the Jews, or the Zionists if you prefer, are not killing each other? Why is it that they are not declaring fatwas calling for the death of Western authors? Why is it that they are not bombing nightclubs? After all, the Hasidim probably take a similarly dim view of the fleshpots. Why are they not hanging their children for flirting? Why are they not breaking the hands of their musicians for playing Beatles tunes?
Again you are wrong!!!
http://www.savethemales.ca/030203.html
Violence was often used against their own, as on November 25, 1940, when the S.S. Patria was blown up in the Haifa harbor, killing 276 illegal Jewish immigrant passengers. At the time of the incident these deaths were attributed to the British, and it was not until ten years later that the responsibility for this disaster was placed at the door of the Zionists. David Flinker, Israeli correspondent of the Jewish Morning Journal (the largest Yiddish daily) described what had happened:
It was then that the Haganah General Staff took a decision at which their leaders shuddered. The decision was not to permit the Patria to leave Jaffa. The English must be given to understand that Jews could not be driven away from their own country. The Patria must be blown up. The decision was conveyed to Haganah members on the Patria and in the hush of night, preparations had begun for the execution of the tragic act. On Sunday, November 26, 1940, the passengers were informed by the English that they were being returned to sea. The Jews remained silent, save for a whisper from man to man to go "up the deck, all up the deck." Apparently, the signal did not reach everybody, for many hundreds remained below-never to see the light again. Suddenly an explosion was heard and a panic ensued.... It was a hellish scene; people jumped into the water, children were tossed into the waves; agonizing cries tore the heavens. The number of victims was officially placed at 276. The survivors were permitted by the High Commissioner to land.6
Fifteen months later the S.S. Struma exploded in the Black Sea, killing 769 illegal Jewish immigrants. The Jewish Agency described it as an act of"mass-protest and mass-suicide," and the U.S. media once more placed the responsibility for these deaths at the door of the British and their Palestine immigration policy.
http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/zionchap10.htm
You see⦠you say that both Zionists and fanatical Muslims are equally sick and dementedâ¦. But I donât know how you come to this conclusion. An analysis of the facts paints a much different picture, donât you think?
Please read above!!!
I am neither Arab nor Jew, Palestinian nor Israeli. All I know is that the Muslim extremists have condemned me and my family to death because we do not believe in Allah. I do not mean they allegedly said this - I mean the literally told me this.
And just in terms of expansionism... let us look at India as an example. In India, the Muslims have been told by their leaders that every woman should have 10 children. This is not euphemism - they have actually been directed to do this and are acting on that direction. The idea is that since the Hindus are trying to practice birth control in order to get a handle on the population problem there, by multiplying, there can be established a Muslim majority in a matter of a few centuries. Is this not expansionist?
Are you serious???
In India it is a matter of pride and economic necessity for families to have many children! Muslim and Hindos breed like rabbits!!! The only ones I feel sorry for are the Sikhs!!
I actually donât think thereâs anything anyone can say about these acts except to say that they are barbaric and illegal and that they must stop, forever, and that Islam will always be under a cloud until they stop. With regard to the idea that âprimitive acts against women happen in our societyââ¦do you mean that women are raped in this society? Of course they are!! Muslims have no monopoly on barbaric behavior. But we donât stone those women to death when they report that they have been raped. We generally look for the rapist after collecting evidence of rape. Is this what you meant here? I think I may have misunderstood your point here.
Not that I am trying to make a distinction but stoning does not happen in the Arab world and I would suggest you go and check on all of the mother fuckers who killed their daughters or sister in the name of honor. I bet you you won't find anyone of them! You know why??? Because they are in an unknown prison, somewhere in the desert, 12 floors underground.
Islamic fundamentalism will be easily defeated if I succeed in giving hope and dream to my youth. Islamic fundamentalism will be defeated if the causes that feed that fundamentalist way of thinking cease!!
Instead, the US is occupying Iraq, talks about freedom for everyone on earth except for the Palestinians and financially and militarily aid new fundamentalist radical Salafi groups like Fath Al Islam and Jundallah. As if the Sons of bitches never learned from their previous mistakes.
And tragically, the apparent thirst for vengeance also encompasses intra-Muslim violence. How many deaths have occurred as a result of Sunni-Shia fighting? Why do these people kill each other with such fervor?
Way more than ever happened to you!!! And while we are on that subject, let me tell you these three stories;
In Baghdad, American impose from dusk to dawn curfew on the area surrounding âAl Askaryâ mosque. During which time, no soul was allowed to leave his/ her home for fear that the American forces will shoot on the spot, Next morning was Friday and the Americans left the curfew. People leave their homes and head to âAl Askaryâ mosque for Friday prayer. After the prayer started, bombs went off in the mouse resulting in a massacre.
In Basrah, Iraqi police spotted a car occupied by two suspicious Arab looking men, wearing Arab Kufyahs and carrying AK47s and explosives, in a speeding car. The Iraqi police gave chase, the suspicious Arab looking men shot at them but finally surrender when it became clear to them that they were out numbered. It was found that these suspicious Arab looking men were British special forces soldiers.
In Basrah again, Basrah police tracked and captured the leaders of a suicide bombers ring that was responsible for numerous attacks. Upon interrogations, they admitted that they sent other suicide bombers and the targets they hit and planed to hit. Few hours later, a contingent of 1000 Special forces British forces arrive at the police head quarter and demand the release of these terrorists. When the police department refused, they were viciously attacked and the prisoners freed. The remaining police force was instructed to leave the police station. As soon as the police force left, the British special forces detonated the whole building. All of the paper trail and computer hard drives containing the information were destroyed.
And wael⦠why is it that the Jews, or the Zionists if you prefer, are not killing each other? Why is it that they are not declaring fatwas calling for the death of Western authors? Why is it that they are not bombing nightclubs? After all, the Hasidim probably take a similarly dim view of the fleshpots. Why are they not hanging their children for flirting? Why are they not breaking the hands of their musicians for playing Beatles tunes?
Again you are wrong!!!
http://www.savethemales.ca/030203.html
Violence was often used against their own, as on November 25, 1940, when the S.S. Patria was blown up in the Haifa harbor, killing 276 illegal Jewish immigrant passengers. At the time of the incident these deaths were attributed to the British, and it was not until ten years later that the responsibility for this disaster was placed at the door of the Zionists. David Flinker, Israeli correspondent of the Jewish Morning Journal (the largest Yiddish daily) described what had happened:
It was then that the Haganah General Staff took a decision at which their leaders shuddered. The decision was not to permit the Patria to leave Jaffa. The English must be given to understand that Jews could not be driven away from their own country. The Patria must be blown up. The decision was conveyed to Haganah members on the Patria and in the hush of night, preparations had begun for the execution of the tragic act. On Sunday, November 26, 1940, the passengers were informed by the English that they were being returned to sea. The Jews remained silent, save for a whisper from man to man to go "up the deck, all up the deck." Apparently, the signal did not reach everybody, for many hundreds remained below-never to see the light again. Suddenly an explosion was heard and a panic ensued.... It was a hellish scene; people jumped into the water, children were tossed into the waves; agonizing cries tore the heavens. The number of victims was officially placed at 276. The survivors were permitted by the High Commissioner to land.6
Fifteen months later the S.S. Struma exploded in the Black Sea, killing 769 illegal Jewish immigrants. The Jewish Agency described it as an act of"mass-protest and mass-suicide," and the U.S. media once more placed the responsibility for these deaths at the door of the British and their Palestine immigration policy.
http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/zionchap10.htm
You see⦠you say that both Zionists and fanatical Muslims are equally sick and dementedâ¦. But I donât know how you come to this conclusion. An analysis of the facts paints a much different picture, donât you think?
Please read above!!!
I am neither Arab nor Jew, Palestinian nor Israeli. All I know is that the Muslim extremists have condemned me and my family to death because we do not believe in Allah. I do not mean they allegedly said this - I mean the literally told me this.
And just in terms of expansionism... let us look at India as an example. In India, the Muslims have been told by their leaders that every woman should have 10 children. This is not euphemism - they have actually been directed to do this and are acting on that direction. The idea is that since the Hindus are trying to practice birth control in order to get a handle on the population problem there, by multiplying, there can be established a Muslim majority in a matter of a few centuries. Is this not expansionist?
Are you serious???
In India it is a matter of pride and economic necessity for families to have many children! Muslim and Hindos breed like rabbits!!! The only ones I feel sorry for are the Sikhs!!
I actually donât think thereâs anything anyone can say about these acts except to say that they are barbaric and illegal and that they must stop, forever, and that Islam will always be under a cloud until they stop. With regard to the idea that âprimitive acts against women happen in our societyââ¦do you mean that women are raped in this society? Of course they are!! Muslims have no monopoly on barbaric behavior. But we donât stone those women to death when they report that they have been raped. We generally look for the rapist after collecting evidence of rape. Is this what you meant here? I think I may have misunderstood your point here.
Not that I am trying to make a distinction but stoning does not happen in the Arab world and I would suggest you go and check on all of the mother fuckers who killed their daughters or sister in the name of honor. I bet you you won't find anyone of them! You know why??? Because they are in an unknown prison, somewhere in the desert, 12 floors underground.
Quote from dddooo:
Let me guess Wael, I think I already know your answer - it's all Zionism's fault. Right? See, I don't even need to know the question.
Good manouver dddooo! Rape and then come back with the following defense;
" Let me guess Wael, I think I already know your answer - I reped. Right? See, I don't even need to know the question.
"Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssy!!!!
No Wael. Muslims not jews rape muslims in Darfur, muslims, not jews kill muslims in Iraq, muslims execute muslims in Iran and Saudi Arabia, muslims, not jews kill muslims in Gaza today, muslims kill muslims in Lebanon and Afghanistan. Muslims, not jews kill non-muslims in the US, the UK, Russia, Bali, India, Spain, Canada, muslims not jews riot and burn cars in France and Denmark, muslims, not jews issue fatwas against poets and philosophers, the muslim street, not the jewish street dances on 9/11, supports these fatwas
and justifies suicide attacks on civilians, muslims not jews mistreat and abuse Sudanese refugees...
Jews don't do that, jews are overrepresented among Nobel prize winners, scientists, successful politicians, businessmen, entrepreneurs, philanthropists, inventors, jews have turned a desert into a blooming paradise, jews have created a thriving State and a bastion of progress and freedom in the midst of medieval tyrannies and dictatorships.
But of course you answer that it was all Zionism's fault was quite predictable. Guess what, Z10 will believe you but that's about it.
Hello!!! World to 2cents: UN resolution partitioning Palestine...international laws... Does it ring a bell? Aren't you one of the biggest proponents of both the UN and international laws? Please don't tell me you're no longer a believer. And you're not trying to have it both way, are you? And still your comment does not even start to explain the list of muslim actions I provided in my previous post, does it? The situation in Darfur, terrorist acts in Russia, India, Bali, Spain...what do they have to do with "stealing their land"?
PS their land could not have been stolen as the land had never been theirs, the land belonged to the Jews, then to the Roman Empire, then to the Turkish empire and then to the British empire. It never belonged to an Arab/Palestinian/Muslim empire, did it? The land was a sparsely populated desert in 18th-19th centuries when the Zionists came and turned it into a blooming garden.
keep talking... UNGA resolutions are non-binding... u stole their land, period.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95460&highlight=abdullah
as for yr other points, how do they relate to / justify stealing their land back then? in no more than 3 lines please... thnk u
template just to help u:
1"they don't."
2"<blank>"
3"ddduuuuhhh"
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95460&highlight=abdullah
as for yr other points, how do they relate to / justify stealing their land back then? in no more than 3 lines please... thnk u
template just to help u:
1"they don't."
2"<blank>"
3"ddduuuuhhh"
LOL, You can't steal from the arabs what belonged to the brits, it was the queen's land. And now the resolution is suddenly non-bindng and the will of the international community is suddenly irrelevant. Moreover according to you this UNGA resolution (binding or not) encouraged the jews to steal the arab land. What a principled supporter of the UN, international laws and international community you have turned out to be my clueless useful idiot.
And how about UNSC resolution 242 demanding among other things "respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force" to which the arab world said "no peace, no negotiation, no recognition". Was it also non-binding?
i said 3 lines, no more...
i know u can't be educated brickhead, so this is not for you to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly#General_Assembly_Resolutions
and this the list of UNSC resolutions concerning Palestine / Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...l#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions fairly edifying...
The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern Israel only or bordering states (such as Lebanon).[1][2] From 1967 to 1989 the UN Security Council passed 131 resolutions directly dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Of the 131 resolutions passed, 43 could be considered neutral while the remaining 88 either criticized and opposed the actions of Israel or judged against its interests. Nearly half of the 88 resolutions against Israel "condemned," "censured," or "deplored" the member state or its actions.[3] During this time, in the UN General Assembly, 429 resolutions against Israel were passed, and Israel was condemned 321 times.[4]
Resolutions condemning Israel were not made under Chapter VII of the UN Charter therefore most legal scholars interpret them to be non-binding.[5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]
A minority of legal scholars [16], Francis Boyle and Curtis F.J. Doebbler,[17] have argued that all UN Security Council resolutions are legally binding [18] The International Court of Justice has also adopted this position in a non binding advisory opinion [19]
The United States, a strong ally of Israel, has unilaterally used its veto power to prevent Chapter VII resolutions from passing through the Security Council.[1]
The UN has been accused of heavy anti-Israel prejudice, see Israel and the United Nations.
i know u can't be educated brickhead, so this is not for you to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly#General_Assembly_Resolutions
and this the list of UNSC resolutions concerning Palestine / Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...l#United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions fairly edifying...
The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern Israel only or bordering states (such as Lebanon).[1][2] From 1967 to 1989 the UN Security Council passed 131 resolutions directly dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Of the 131 resolutions passed, 43 could be considered neutral while the remaining 88 either criticized and opposed the actions of Israel or judged against its interests. Nearly half of the 88 resolutions against Israel "condemned," "censured," or "deplored" the member state or its actions.[3] During this time, in the UN General Assembly, 429 resolutions against Israel were passed, and Israel was condemned 321 times.[4]
Resolutions condemning Israel were not made under Chapter VII of the UN Charter therefore most legal scholars interpret them to be non-binding.[5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]
A minority of legal scholars [16], Francis Boyle and Curtis F.J. Doebbler,[17] have argued that all UN Security Council resolutions are legally binding [18] The International Court of Justice has also adopted this position in a non binding advisory opinion [19]
The United States, a strong ally of Israel, has unilaterally used its veto power to prevent Chapter VII resolutions from passing through the Security Council.[1]
The UN has been accused of heavy anti-Israel prejudice, see Israel and the United Nations.