This war is illegal!

KymarFye:`This statement - which amounts to his thesis statement - is of course entirely inaccurate: Needless to say, there is substantial international opposition to the Bush policy, but there is also significant "international support," most notably from Britain, Spain, Australia, Eastern Europe, and many of Iraq's neighbors.´

this statement is of course entirely inaccurate. more precisely, it´s utter nonsense. needless to say that the "significant international support" from the countries mentioned above stems exclusively from the prime ministers/presidents of those countries - where the popular resistance against Bush´s war is the highest in the entire world.
 
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KymarFye:`This statement - which amounts to his thesis statement - is of course entirely inaccurate: Needless to say, there is substantial international opposition to the Bush policy, but there is also significant "international support," most notably from Britain, Spain, Australia, Eastern Europe, and many of Iraq's neighbors.´

this statement is of course entirely inaccurate. more precisely, it´s utter nonsense. needless to say that the "international support" from the countries mentioned above stems exclusively from the prime ministers/presidents of those countries - where the popular resistance against Bush´s war is the highest in the entire world.
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Well put msfe... I agree with you and echo your sentiments...
 
re: significant international support

Exclusive: The Blame Game Between Bush and the Brits

Fall out over fake letters

By Richard Wolffe, Mark Hosenball and Tamara Lipper
NEWSWEEK

March 17 issue — They have been the closest of allies. But under the intense pressure of a diplomatic crisis at the United Nations and an imminent war in Iraq, the friendship between the United States and Britain is beginning to fray. The most recent strain emerged when U.N. nuclear inspectors concluded last week that U.S. and British claims about Iraq’s secret nuclear program were based on forged documents. The fake letters supposedly laid out how Iraqi agents had tried to purchase uranium from officials in Niger, central Africa.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/882813.asp



Labour MP to quit Government post over Iraq

Prime Minister Tony Blair has received the first Government resignation over the Iraqi crisis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-2467284,00.html
 
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KymarFye:`This statement - which amounts to his thesis statement - is of course entirely inaccurate: Needless to say, there is substantial international opposition to the Bush policy, but there is also significant "international support," most notably from Britain, Spain, Australia, Eastern Europe, and many of Iraq's neighbors.´

this statement is of course entirely inaccurate. more precisely, it´s utter nonsense. needless to say that the "significant international support" from the countries mentioned above stems exclusively from the prime ministers/presidents of those countries - where the popular resistance against Bush´s war is the highest in the entire world.
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I suppose if Carter had referred to a "determination to launch a war without majority support as represented in opinion polls of foreign populaces" then his statement might have been accurate. It would not, however, have justified his larger argument. In addition, if some politician explicitly recommended that US policy should be first submitted to international referendum before being adopted, he'd be laughed out of town.
 
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Labour MP to quit Government post over Iraq

Prime Minister Tony Blair has received the first Government resignation over the Iraqi crisis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-2467284,00.html
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Mr Reed said: "I will set out my full reasons for resigning, but I fully support the Prime Minister in his efforts to find a peaceful solution to the Iraqi crisis through the UN route and I do not want to do anything that undermines that effort at this stage."

"I am not a pacifist with woolly thinking about the threat of weapons of mass destruction, but I have not been convinced that the 'doing something' is going to war.

"The threat of military action has got us this far, and needs to remain in place, but more time needs to be given to moving to a peaceful settlement, even with limited military action if needed."

He added: "But not war in my name at this time."
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If the war goes well, he can say he supported the overall policy, but just thought it was premature. If it goes badly, he can claim to have stood up against it. Very similar to the Democrats who voted against the first Gulf War, and later had to defend their positions when popular opinion moved decisively in the opposite direction.
 
even more weasels over there - in Blair´s socialist paradise

Blair sets out final terms to avoid war

Last night a number of junior Ministers were named as being ready to resign if there was no second resolution. Anne Campbell, Parliamentary Private Secretary to Patricia Hewitt, the Trade Secretary, Andy Reed, aide to Margaret Beckett, the Environment Secretary, and Michael Jabez Foster, who works for Lord Goldsmith, the Attorney General, have all said they would consider their position.

More than 200 backbench MPs are also likely to rebel if a vote is taken in the Commons on conflict with Iraq without a second resolution.

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,910690,00.html
 
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Nice words Cathy but you haven't answered my question.
Surely an important subject like this shouldn't just be dismissed.


Regards,

freealways
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I have not answered your questions, because there is no answer.
Moral decisions are fraught with "what ifs".....there is no black and white.....just shades of gray.

Is it justified to kill Hitler? Or Saddam? Or a saint?
Is it justified to kill a fetus? Or a suicide? Or a sick old man?
Is it justified to ask someone to die for war? Or for their ideals?
Is killing innocent people ok? Or killing for sport? Or killing for a meal?

I think I am backing out of this argument as I can't really see an answer.
I just am not for a war. Women aren't as a group.
 
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The civilized world looks forward to the day when the USA is punished for its crimes against humanity and for its blood-drenched murderous hegemonistic foreign policies... the civilized world anticipates that the USA is in for a rude awakening sooner than it expects... and when the USA comes crying to the civilized world for sympathy, the civilized world will promptly tell the USA to f**k off!!! HAHAHA...
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Candle, you have posted many times that you are all in favor of attacking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other nations you consider as justifiable targets. Wouldn't "the civilized world" you so vociferously represent view attacks on those nations as "crimes against humanity" and further examples of "blood-drenched murderous hegemonistic foreign policies"?
 
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