This is why we riot

Max E. said:
This is why I stopped posting in the politics section, until yesterday, the argument he is making is not legitimate, its "agree with me or your a racist"

There is no debating with people like this.

Everyone agrees this cop is a total piece of shit, and he will get what's coming to him when he goes to prison.

But somehow if you dobt unilaterally support everything that's happening as a result of this incident, you are a racist.

Its disingenuous bullshit that used to just enrage me, which is why I dropped out of posting in the politics section, there is no such thing as real debate with clowns s like useque, when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail, it's an asinine opinion that is as stupid as it is predictable because it happens over and over and over
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I hear you loud and clear.
 
Ayn Rand said:
Let's put things in perspective.

George Floyd - 46 - 6ft 6 inches - 230 lbs. - ex con - drunk and on drugs at time of arrest - trying to pass a counterfeit $20 at time of arrest. Ex con committing a crime.

It is hard to find on Google that George was an ex con for a serious crime but it is there -

"Floyd was charged in 2007 with armed robbery in a home invasion in Houston and in 2009 was sentenced to five years in prison as part of a plea deal, according to court documents." - https://www.ajc.com/news/victim-pol...ed-new-life-minnesota/rMmT2wipeQFNnsypmh6oBL/ - convicted felon - crime with a gun.

What the police officer did was wrong but if George Floyd, who is 6ft 6 - who had already served time for an armed robbery charge in a home invasion (very serious) - drunk - high - is out there committing a crime - things can happen.

The officer in question had a history of using excessive force but was still on the force.

When you have a job where people can pour water on you, spit on you, call you all kinds of names, and throw things at you and you are suppose to show up for work every day and take it, you are not going to get the most qualified people for the job.

This is much worse - https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/married-couple-killed-at-delaware-veterans-cemetery-identified/
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Personally I don't think there is anything to be gained by this disparaging the victim even in the role of trying to get some perspective. The man had a history. So do I. The man made mistakes. So have I. He may or may not given the cop some shit. I have. I don't think there is any doubt that he and I would have very different experiences in similar situations. The cop killed this man with no need to do so. His coworkers watched, fucking watched and did nothing. Can't anyone tell me than at least one of these guys couldn't have stepped in and said enough. After all of this, his brother is asking for calm and peaceful protests. If we really want to gain some ground with sensible people, we must focus on the sins of the present rather than the past, understanding that there are many people who want anything but a peaceful agreement between sensible people. Those people need to be dealt with accordingly. Sometimes all of the gory details are not helpful. Just my 2 cents.
 
CaptainObvious said:
Personally I don't think there is anything to be gained by this disparaging the victim even in the role of trying to get some perspective. The man had a history. So do I. The man made mistakes. So have I. He may or may not given the cop some shit. I have. I don't think there is any doubt that he and I would have very different experiences in similar situations. The cop killed this man with no need to do so. His coworkers watched, fucking watched and did nothing. Can't anyone tell me than at least one of these guys couldn't have stepped in and said enough. After all of this, his brother is asking for calm and peaceful protests. If we really want to gain some ground with sensible people, we must focus on the sins of the present rather than the past, understanding that there are many people who want anything but a peaceful agreement between sensible people. Those people need to be dealt with accordingly. Sometimes all of the gory details are not helpful. Just my 2 cents.
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Agreed. All of that might have been relevant and discussion worthy had we been arguing about why the man was arrested in the first place. No matter what his history was, once he was subdued and in custody there was no reason to choke the life from him over the course of 7 or 8 minutes.
 
CaptainObvious said:
Personally I don't think there is anything to be gained by this disparaging the victim even in the role of trying to get some perspective. The man had a history. So do I. The man made mistakes. So have I. He may or may not given the cop some shit. I have. I don't think there is any doubt that he and I would have very different experiences in similar situations. The cop killed this man with no need to do so. His coworkers watched, fucking watched and did nothing. Can't anyone tell me than at least one of these guys couldn't have stepped in and said enough. After all of this, his brother is asking for calm and peaceful protests. If we really want to gain some ground with sensible people, we must focus on the sins of the present rather than the past, understanding that there are many people who want anything but a peaceful agreement between sensible people. Those people need to be dealt with accordingly. Sometimes all of the gory details are not helpful. Just my 2 cents.
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Well said, and I agree it doesnt matter if george floyd was hannibal lecter, you cant just sit on a person's neck and snufff them out while they are incapacitated.

This is a huge failure on the part of government, I'm wondering how the hell someone like this gets to that point without people asking questions. I realise there is a solidarity among cops because most situations are not this cut and dry, but I wonder how the fuck no one spoke up.... this asshole had like 18 complaints, and he was so brazen he looked in the camera while he was being filmed choking a person to death.

There had to have been some kind of clues before this that should have led to this guys immediate dismissal, I'm wondering how that happens and a clear sociopath lasts for decades before it escalates to this level.
 
Ayn Rand said:
Let's put things in perspective.

George Floyd - 46 - 6ft 6 inches - 230 lbs. - ex con - drunk and on drugs at time of arrest - trying to pass a counterfeit $20 at time of arrest. Ex con committing a crime.

It is hard to find on Google that George was an ex con for a serious crime but it is there -

"Floyd was charged in 2007 with armed robbery in a home invasion in Houston and in 2009 was sentenced to five years in prison as part of a plea deal, according to court documents." - https://www.ajc.com/news/victim-pol...ed-new-life-minnesota/rMmT2wipeQFNnsypmh6oBL/ - convicted felon - crime with a gun.

What the police officer did was wrong but if George Floyd, who is 6ft 6 - who had already served time for an armed robbery charge in a home invasion (very serious) - drunk - high - is out there committing a crime - things can happen.

The officer in question had a history of using excessive force but was still on the force.

When you have a job where people can pour water on you, spit on you, call you all kinds of names, and throw things at you and you are suppose to show up for work every day and take it, you are not going to get the most qualified people for the job.

This is much worse - https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/married-couple-killed-at-delaware-veterans-cemetery-identified/
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So you decided after the fact that George was a violent criminal and high on drugs and therefore the police actions were valid and justified?

I knew it would not take long for the cons to crawl out and paint the victim as someone who should have died given some other crime and likliness of being on drugs.

Typical response to bring up the victim's past as though that is relevant for what happened last Monday. George was suspected of allegedly passing a counterfeit $20... funny how that never came up anymore as nothing was proven to justify arresting him.

What is the punishment for suspected passing a $20 conterfeit bill? death?
 
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