This is the reason why the stock futures are going up?

Millionaire said:
Fighting till the last man was never the plan. The Ukrainians are putting up an admirable defence, but they were just trying to buy time because they were hoping that the Americans and Nato would soon come to the rescue with a 'no fly zone'

They just realised the US and Nato are not coming to the rescue.

Instead the US wants to use Ukraine as a drawn out proxy war with Russia for it's own ends.
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Anyone smart knew this was happening. I cannot believe the Ukranian people allowed the leader to be duped.
 
TheDawn said:
With Ukraine making concessions? Basically bowing to Russia' demands? Is this video even true?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/e...nato-membership-11646814770?mod=mw_latestnews

So Russia won?? This is setting very dangerous precedents. All the countries are seeing that all you have to do is invade and eventually the country that you invade will make concessions for the sake of "peace". China will be next to try this strategy.
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Yes, interesting but dangerous.

Russia basically said, "We'll do what we want, and if you get in our way you will suffer nuclear retaliation". Maybe that threat is a bluff. Who dares risk calling it? (China could play that same card if it wants...)

What does that portend for the future of the world??
 
Strange chess, make the wrong move just to find out NATO, oops you lost a finger.
Don't have to surrender, they can't occupy you anyways.
Take that deal, sign a few papers and wait for the money from the west.
 
Scataphagos said:
Russia basically said, "We'll do what we want, and if you get in our way you will suffer nuclear retaliation". Maybe that threat is a bluff. Who dares risk calling it?
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It is a bluff. Putin may be insane, but there is a chain of people from him to the actual red button. And at least one of these people is not completely nuts.
 
terr said:
It is a bluff. Putin may be insane, but there is a chain of people from him to the actual red button. And at least one of these people is not completely nuts.
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What about battle field tactical nukes? Those would be the ones he would use first if anyone wants to join the war against him.

Fire a small hypersonic cruise missiles containing a tactical Nuke at any bases that were shooting down Russian jets.
 
Millionaire said:
What about battle field tactical nukes? Those would be the ones he would use first if anyone wants to join the war against him.
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I think that's kind of like Pandora's Box... once you get away with deploying a nuke (even a small one), the door is open to others.
 
Millionaire said:
What about battle field tactical nukes? Those would be the ones he would use first if anyone wants to join the war against him.

Fire a small hypersonic cruise missiles containing a tactical Nuke at any bases that were shooting down Russian jets.
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That would be one of the mistakes that could trigger a nuclear mess.
 
Millionaire said:
Yeah but the first mistake would be the one before that, where Nato starts shooting down Russian jets.
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Ukrainians are doing pretty well shooting down Russian jets. And more anti-aircraft systems are arriving into Ukraine daily.

From what I see on the ground in Ukraine and what I hear from people who know what they're talking about: 1. Planes do not take ground 2. In order to achieve anything, Russians have to take the cities. 3. They don't have the strength, really, to do that. Russian army has shown itself to be a paper tiger. 4. The Ukrainian fighting spirit is off the charts. This is not just propaganda. It is real.

Here: this Russian talk show host (the one on top) is one of the biggest war cheerleaders. I translated his show from yesterday. Watch (to see the translation you have to watch it in Youtube not here).

 
terr said:
They don't have the strength, really, to do that. Russian army has shown itself to be a paper tiger.
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Russian Planes and Tanks are trash in comparison to US tech.

They don't spend anything like what the US or China spends on defence. They wouldn't last long against the US in a conventional war.

Thats why any war between Nato and Russia risks escalating to a Nuclear war pretty quick. Which doesn't end well for either side.

1. Warning shots, eg a Tactical Nuke detonated over an unpopulated area (eg the North sea)
2. Tactical Nuclear Strikes against military bases.
3. Strategic thermonuclear war against civilian population centers.
 
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