this has got to be a blow off top

I think the key right now is if the 'dumb' money continues to flow into stocks and mutual funds. Here is what I mean - when I was a stockbroker/adviser, right about now is when my phone would start ringing with unsolicited orders. People don't like buying when things are down, they want to see it come up and then read about it in the paper. Keep in mind that this 'dumb' money typically only goes long and comes into the market in a variety of ways - regular accounts, 401ks, IRA's, pensions, etc. I believe that 'dumb' money is the reason why over time the indexes simply continue to rise when you look at longer timeframes. Without this 'dumb' money the market would be much more rocky, volatile, etc. I'm not arguing that this is a good thing, but if you have a portion of your investable assets into ETF's currently (and are long), you are seeing nice gains for a 'simple' investment.

As somone else pointed out, the Dow is up approx 15% on the year, which is a little better than the 'average' that brokers use to sell to their clients. We were taught to show 8-12% a year is our target return. Well, 15% is great!! If you have money available, now is a great time to invest!! ... just like the old days ... :D

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Quote from brownsfan019:

the 'dumb' money continues to flow into stocks and mutual funds.

Where are they getting this 'dumb' money from? Oh, I get it. That is why this shopping season was so weak. It is because 'they' put all their money in stocks and mutul funds. :D
 
Quote from Bowgett:

Where are they getting this 'dumb' money from? Oh, I get it. That is why this shopping season was so weak. It is because 'they' put all their money in stocks and mutul funds. :D
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Actually, dumb money is employer contributed to a large extent, or comes from tax refunds, etc... so it doesn't hurt as much to put it into "investments" as there are significant tax hurdles, etc... to taking the money out of these accounts.

The tapped out lower segment of the US consumer doesn't have these types of investments, since they are just trying to make it month to month. So, their absence is largely expected and therefore irrelevant. But they were the reason that christmas wasn't so bright this year.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Seriously, how many guys on this thread have traded pre-2000? Be honest. You guys are acting like you have never seen a trending market before.
Started in the late 80's here. But then I gave up on predictions shortly after my third blowout.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Stock went out at 79.00 in AH. Poor kid, just can't get anything right (even when he goes long). :eek:


what a cheap shot you took, I might have sold out early but look where its trading now. You should learn to keep quiet.
 
"Yeah I agree that this manipulated "rally" is bullshit."

more loser trader mentality. this thread is full of these sorts of people

translation: the people that either missed this move or tried to short it on the way up finally have to admit "i was wrong", but can't do that (even though their account tells it for them), so it's "manipulated" , it's "bullshit" etc.

look, this aint yer daddy's bull market, but it's just as real as any other bull market, and caused by one thing - demand outstripping supply at price levels, that causes prices to rise.

it's that simple

the market doesn't care about you, and it doesn't care if you think it's "manipulated" (loser meme 101) or "fake" or whatever.

this does not HAVE to be a blow off top. it will go down when it goes down. set your protective stops, and make your plays.
 
O.P.

This market doesn't "HAVE to be" anything. The sooner you learn this the better off you're going to be.


Trade on, your tuition is not paid up to date!
 
Quote from S2007S:

what a cheap shot you took, I might have sold out early but look where its trading now. You should learn to keep quiet.
should have, could have, would have.

wish have.
 
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