This has been a long time coming for America....

The only party that will ever secure our borders is the Libertarian Party. All others are just repeating Reagan.
 
java said:
The only party that will ever secure our borders is the Libertarian Party. All others are just repeating Reagan.
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Too bad they ran a fruitcake for Prez this year right? Hard to believe he got even one vote. Tells you there are a lot of crazy people in the USA.
 
I liked Jill Stein as a 3rd party candidate. Seemed like she had a head on her shoulders. Unfortunately the powers that be will not let a 3rd party candidate have a chance. Like Trump said, it's rigged. Rigged for 2 parties only.
 
Good1 said:
Just as a mainstream meme-machine cut-and-pasted only what it wanted from the actual recommendations of the actual Jesus, so too did people like Mohammed cut-and-paste from the meme depository, just as nitro cuts-and-pastes today.



Yes , Mohammed did and Pastor nitro does.




Yes, propaganda, practiced, does begin to "make sense".

And only when you manage to put a little distance between your mind and the propaganda that would capture it, does the propaganda start to lose its grip on your mind, enough to reveal it as non-sensical.



Then I won't tell you how many years I allowed my mind to be captured by that brand of propaganda as I may be disqualified by the frequency of visits to the booth, the sincerity of the confessions, and the quality of the sitting priest.

...which makes perfect sense, right?





Ok, so I see you have taken an aspect of the propaganda, to make Hitler, who was also raised within that brand of propaganda, look like an obedient alter boy compared to people who eat rich, or otherwise worthless food.

This could be added, with as much sense, to the misappropriations of cultural lingo by Mohammed and Pastor nitro.



Since you go to the booth the right number of times per month with the appropriate measure of contrition in front of the most qualified priest, I'm sure your analysis is unquestionable.

Likewise, nitro's appropriation of the cut-and-pasted story of early ventures into kibbutz-like communist-socialism must also be unquestionable.

You remember the story of how Peter had his little following sell all their land and give all their money to the group, headed by Peter? Yes, the story of how one couple withheld some of thier land-sale proceeds for themselves, and, despite giving most of the proceeds to the group were struck dead by Peter's magic because they presented most of their proceeds as all of their proceeds? Yes, that would be the story of the unquestionable Peter, as nitro's appropriation of that theme, to be forced upon modern society is also unquestionably the same brand of propaganda.
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:D :D :D
It is good that you actually have had experiences of Catholic religion.
I have to admit myself that for decades I left it ( as a teenager your parents can't force you anymore),
and I came back to it around 2 years ago. So what made the difference?

May be because I went straight for the very austere Catholic flavour , before our actual priests got - unfortunately- infiltrated and corrupted. But the time they resisted was long enough for to learn what was important before moving on. And interestingly, their "purest" staff also moved on, their litterature changed as if the "Holy Spirit left".

Catholicism has benefits on the self-development side, that one can not find in other methods ( islam, bouddhism, libertarianism, judaism, socialism, nazism ( as some here are into it), etc).

Let's take confession.
If one comes across a very well trained priets ( specially those that worked in settings where people have confessed really hidden crimes as well as how they went about hiding these for a very long time), the confession is worth it. They will discuss with you about your sin : the gravity of it, the consequences on the potential victims and society at large, the real meaning of sin as a real offense to God and why so - for those who have difficulties with the concept pf God in what ways sin is a real offense to what is good in creation. Not only that, but a very well trained priest will help you find out how this sin was prepared into you so as to wait for the right time for you to do it ( same concept of seed of sin planted in the ground ). A very well trained priest might help you dig into your past environment to discover how you were influenced. A very well trained priest might also help you confess other sins that were attached to it , and you might even discuss all the other potential sins you might have jumped into in the future if you did not have the chance of confessing in good conditions.

Now tell me where you get that? Only Catholicism with a very high quality priest.

If you have not experienced how difficult it is to confess: how can you know how it is if you have not experienced it?

Also, after a good confession, you feel like your heart is like "cleansed". You feel lighter, more joyful, more optimist: if you have never experienced a good confession how can you find out about it?

This is why I said that it is only after practicing that one starts to really understand this Catholic religion.

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The danger of brainwashing and propaganda : it is clear and obvious that this is the one thing to look at for. This is why, it is important to be very carefuk to check the quality of the priest, and to always have doubts :
* does he practice what he preaches?
* can he be easily mislead and corrupted ( I'd say that is a big one)?

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The story of the couple.
Few questions:
- Was the couple forced to give anything ? No. They could have refused to give anything, and be fine. Of course they did not , as they showed by their action, that what was important to them was how they were seen by the other people. Image issues.
- Was the couple forced to give ALL of what they sold ? no. But they said they were giving ALL of what they sold, when in fact they actually hide one part and lied about it. Why did they hide part, lied about it, and attempted to mislead Peter?
- Once they showed they were willing as a team to lie, to hide, to mislead the leader, to mislead the TRUST of the leader in front of ALL the followers : what else down the line would they have been willing to do?

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I think one important aspect of Catholicism is real, pure and innocent love. This includes loving one's ennemies. This is actually much easier the more one confess properly, got miracles occuring in one's life thanks to God, and start doing real charity actions.
"real, pure, innocent lov" is something I am now trying to understand as it seems very much linked to the miracles that occured. Though I have been trained in STEM ( postgrad), BECAUSE I have experienced bouddhism ( again here being careful of brainwashing), found out a little bit about islam, I have experienced a lot of self-development methods, I actually believe in these miracles ( including resurecting the deads) an these miracles make sense if one understand what people call "the mysteries of Catholicms). Next I will be reading much more about the miracles, the links with purity of the heart, and why those who managed to do these miracles did not seem to brag about their abilities, become arrogant or feel superior to others; basically how they handle their success.

 
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smallStops said:
:D :D :D
It is good that you actually have had experiences of Catholic religion.
I have to admit myself that for decades I left it ( as a teenager your parents can't force you anymore),
and I came back to it around 2 years ago. So what made the difference?

May be because I went straight for the very austere Catholic flavour , before our actual priests got - unfortunately- infiltrated and corrupted. But the time they resisted was long enough for to learn what was important before moving on. And interestingly, their "purest" staff also moved on, their litterature changed as if the "Holy Spirit left".

Catholicism has benefits on the self-development side, that one can not find in other methods ( islam, bouddhism, libertarianism, judaism, socialism, nazism ( as some here are into it), etc).

Let's take confession.
If one comes across a very well trained priets ( specially those that worked in settings where people have confessed really hidden crimes as well as how they went about hiding these for a very long time), the confession is worth it. They will discuss with you about your sin : the gravity of it, the consequences on the potential victims and society at large, the real meaning of sin as a real offense to God and why so - for those who have difficulties with the concept pf God in what ways sin is a real offense to what is good in creation. Not only that, but a very well trained priest will help you find out how this sin was prepared into you so as to wait for the right time for you to do it ( same concept of seed of sin planted in the ground ). A very well trained priest might help you dig into your past environment to discover how you were influenced. A very well trained priest might also help you confess other sins that were attached to it , and you might even discuss all the other potential sins you might have jumped into in the future if you did not have the chance of confessing in good conditions.

Now tell me where you get that? Only Catholicism with a very high quality priest.

If you have not experienced how difficult it is to confess: how can you know how it is if you have not experienced it?

Also, after a good confession, you feel like your heart is like "cleansed". You feel lighter, more joyful, more optimist: if you have never experienced a good confession how can you find out about it?

This is why I said that it is only after practicing that one starts to really understand this Catholic religion.

---
The danger of brainwashing and propaganda : it is clear and obvious that this is the one thing to look at for. This is why, it is important to be very carefuk to check the quality of the priest, and to always have doubts :
* does he practice what he preaches?
* can he be easily mislead and corrupted ( I'd say that is a big one)?

-----
The story of the couple.
Few questions:
- Was the couple forced to give anything ? No. They could have refused to give anything, and be fine. Of course they did not , as they showed by their action, that what was important to them was how they were seen by the other people. Image issues.
- Was the couple forced to give ALL of what they sold ? no. But they said they were giving ALL of what they sold, when in fact they actually hide one part and lied about it. Why did they hide part, lied about it, and attempted to mislead Peter?
- Once they showed they were willing as a team to lie, to hide, to mislead the leader, to mislead the TRUST of the leader in front of ALL the followers : what else down the line would they have been willing to do?

-----
I think one important aspect of Catholicism is real, pure and innocent love. This includes loving one's ennemies. This is actually much easier the more one confess properly, got miracles occuring in one's life thanks to God, and start doing real charity actions.
"real, pure, innocent lov" is something I am now trying to understand as it seems very much linked to the miracles that occured. Though I have been trained in STEM ( postgrad), BECAUSE I have experienced bouddhism ( again here being careful of brainwashing), found out a little bit about islam, I have experienced a lot of self-development methods, I actually believe in these miracles ( including resurecting the deads) an these miracles make sense if one understand what people call "the mysteries of Catholicms). Next I will be reading much more about the miracles, the links with purity of the heart, and why those who managed to do these miracles did not seem to brag about their abilities, become arrogant or feel superior to others; basically how they handle their success.
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How much experience have you had with the Tony Robbin's organization?

I would not be able to accept your analysis unless you got together with an authorized and qualified life-coach for a private one-on-one meeting to discuss your failings. It feels good and who else offers this quality of service?
 
Good1 said:
How much experience have you had with the Tony Robbin's organization?

I would not be able to accept your analysis unless you got together with an authorized and qualified life-coach for a private one-on-one meeting to discuss your failings. It feels good and who else offers this quality of service?
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Sure I had experience with Tony Robbin's organization.
I should have explained that I basically "tried everything" psychology/spirituality/mindset related to sort some problems ( coping with some serious group mobbing, then dealing with trading self-sabotaging patterns).
For me what worked - the same thing is not going to work for everyone - has been dhamma(dot)org ( Bouddhist created a meditation method for laic people), and what I am now doing ( and this I will be implementing it with a set of people to see if they can turn their lives quickly using the same things I went through).

What is it in my analysis that is disturbing you?
And why is it disturbing you.

Also, I always "walk the talk" : I always try things before talking about psy/spirituality/mindset things.
 
smallStops said:
What is it in my analysis that is disturbing you?
And why is it disturbing you.
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It concerns me that everything i said in response to this:

smallStops said:
This would really confirm that real Catholicism faith and practice is the only solution to deep manipulation.
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...was ignored in favor of more propaganda.

Guess it all depends on what your motives are...how you define "what works". If the devil is offering a class on how to trade better, and it works, not much I can say about that.

When talking about religious orgs, the purpose, I would think, is toward something called "salvation". Whether it works or not depends what you think is salvation.

For some, salvation could mean trading better having dispensed with some self-sabotaging phsycology.

So, what are they telling you salvation means?

I'm saying that is part of the propaganda, and there's no way for you to know if it has worked yet...unless it's about trading better. Feeling better...what does that mean to you?
 
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