This crisis means the end of bullsh*t college and university degrees?

[jack hershey]

Quote from joe4422:

What are you talking about? In the past most heads of family worked on 1 40 hour a week job, and the wife stayed home. Today, both work, and rarely would they work only 1 job.

Maybe for someone who lives off his girl friend's wages there appears to be plenty of extra time to kick around, but not for those who actually provide for themselves.

I provide for a lot of people.

 

[T_Geithner]

Quote from bumblebuzzard:

It's interesting that so many people think that the criterion by which to judge the value of a college education is whether it will get you a job. That is a very narrow view of education.

so your assumption is that universities provide education, you are narrow minded and naive

 

[phenomena]

But we aren't talking about you, are we? I know that it breaks your little heart that we aren't talking about you or one of your topics, and you will do anything to steer the conversation that way, but nobody cares.

The fact is that you made a false statement, and it was corrected. MORE work is required now for survival than in previous decades and generations where one uneducated adult could work a 40 hour week and make a living for a family. Female typically stayed home, etc.

Quote from jack hershey:

I provide for a lot of people.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from Thermactor:

I'll take it a step further and say that anyone not going into engineering or medicine is wasting their time.

Every single kind of literature? Dead
Women's/ethnic studies? Was that ever alive?
Music/Art/History: Died thirty years ago
Finance? Dead
Accounting? Dead
Business administration? Dead
Education? Dead
Criminal justice? Dead
Law degree? Piece of paper
MBA? Kindling to keep your house warm.

Today's students going through the grinder don't recognize this. They are piling on debt and hoping to find that elusive $40,000/year job after graduation.

It's not out there.

Suggest becoming a PA... Physician's Assistant. 3-year Master's degree, but starting salary $60,000-$120,000. Highest paid PA in wife's group is $200,000.

 

[max_skinner]

Quote from jack hershey:



A successful trader is never defined as a full time trader.

Really?

Care to elaborate?

Cheers,
Max

 

[ProfLogic]

Has no one caught on yet that garcia only starts these threads to create arguments . . . then leaves.

 

[bumblebuzzard]

Quote from zdreg:
from bumble,,,,,,
Well, I have to respectfully disagree. I've spent a lot of time around people who work for colleges and universities, and I've never seen any sign that all they are interested in is keeping up the enrollment and so on. I'm not quite sure what you could be basing your comment on.

your conclusion is not logical. as long as the government pays the tuition the subject of enrollment level is not on the agenda.

Strictly speaking, there is no logical inference involved in my post. I make a statement of fact ("I've never seen any sign...."), and that's all. So I'm not sure I understand your point.

Are you saying that it is illogical to infer from my experience of certain people to the conclusion that they are not interested only in keeping up enrollment; and that they the reason it is illogical is that government payment of tuition keeps these people from showing that their sole interest is in keeping up the enrollment?

If so, then I would reply, first, that my statement may be false, but I cannot see any error in the logic. Second, the post to which I was replying contains an universal quantifier that almost certainly makes it factually incorrect. That was my (logical) point, though I think that some reflection about this would naturally lead to the view that it dangerous to make facile judgments about very complicated issues.

 

[bumblebuzzard]

Quote from T_Geithner:

so your assumption is that universities provide education, you are narrow minded and naive

How on earth can you get from my statement that it is narrow minded to value education solely by calculating economic return to the conclusion that I assume that universities provide education?

I do in fact believe that most universities provide an education. I also believe that most students don't get a hell of a lot out of it. But those beliefs have nothing to do with my post.

 

[daveb351]

Think of student as a career. My daughter is an almost PHD. She makes more by teaching(the same courses as professors, but paid much less.), mentoring, & stipends from her grants than most jobs now pay.

 

[indahook]

Trade schools will be making a huge come back.

Anybody remember BOCES programs? We had them in NY...and the kids that attended were ridiculed. Now they are all Plumbers, electricians, welders and mechanics. Not job guaranteed. But fully portable trades.

Self sufficiency first, higher education later. Thats what i`m teaching my kids.