They just banned short selling in US

Quote from arbs-r-us:

If the market-fakers are given hedging exemption to short, reversals that were pricing Friday at $2 or more everywhere in that list of 797 will be a multi-gazillion dollar windfall to the market-fakers. The exemption should be granted to ANYONE that is hedging DIRECTLY correlated derivatives - more specifically listed options and SSFs. If not, the reversals will continue to price at retarded levels making it economic suicide using any of these products to hedge a long delta.
I agree that anyone that is forced to make markets should be exempted from the shorting rule.

nitro
 
Quote from nitro:

I agree that anyone that is forced to make markets should be exempted from the shorting rule.

nitro

Actually, everyone should be exempted from this shorting rule.
 
I am not going to call obviously smart people stupid. I think what they did was an act of desperation.

These people realize they need to be dynamic in a highly fluid situation, and they will find the right compromise in the short term. Their goal is not to bankrupt the liquidity providers. That's silly.

I believe this is a kind of MARTIAL LAW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

imposed on financial markets. It is extremely painful, but in the short term probably has to be done.

nitro
Quote from Angrycat:

Nitro, as the market sinks, the SEC's stupidity grows. The entire first page and a half of the Orders could have been summed up "in an effort to prevent price discovery because we don't like the prices being discovered....."

Every options MM I know was beyond confused. Today, I heard a bunch of firms rebelled and refused to make markets at all. Don't know the legality of any of it, because I'm not a lawyer. However, it seems that the SEC couldn't hold them in breach because it breached the MM contract first by repealing their exemption. Contract law can be pretty specific. But who has time for picayune details like the Law when you're furiously pounding out an order at 3 am to burn down the house and everyone in it to save your own skin? My understanding is that options market maker restrictions are now lifted on everything but Reg Sho stocks (also dumb). Did I hear correctly?

And...good luck wading through this giant bucket of shit the SEC has plopped us all into.
 
As far as bringing back the uptick rule, I think it is a catastrophic mistake. I will be shorting NYX and buying CME if they do. Volumes from automated equity programs, which accounts for something like 60% of NYX volume, will implode.

I don't know what the ultimate solution is. To be frank, not allowing any one institution to take on more than 10:1 leverage would probably solve every problem we are in, and there would be no need for the domino effect of unprecedented rules against market participants that insane leverage has caused.

When people say there should be less banks, I say there should be more. Spread the risk out as much as possible. Don't allow any one institution to get out of control. Create an exchange for things like CDS and CDOs. Make it illegal for institutions to create products that can be traded away from an exchange.

nitro
 
Quote from nitro:

I agree that anyone that is forced to make markets should be exempted from the shorting rule.

nitro

It's not about exempting anyone that is being FORCED to make markets. It should be about anyone that is increasing liquidity by creating convergence in call/put parity, SSFs, etc. It's the ORDERS and OPEN INTEREST that provide the true liquidity and price discovery. If you make someone pay $3 to convert off their long stock, volume will just implode. I trade as many as 50k contracts/day in a portfolio margin environment, all in a delta-gamma-vega neutral model. Exempting market-fakers and not people doing similar trading is an economic injustice which will only line the pockets of the whining, trade busting, "whopping 20 up" market fakers.
 
Quote from arbs-r-us:

It's not about exempting anyone that is being FORCED to make markets. It should be about anyone that is increasing liquidity by creating convergence in call/put parity, SSFs, etc. It's the ORDERS and OPEN INTEREST that provide the true liquidity and price discovery. If you make someone pay $3 to convert off their long stock, volume will just implode. I trade as many as 50k contracts/day in a portfolio margin environment, all in a delta-gamma-vega neutral model. Exempting market-fakers and not people doing similar trading is an economic injustice which will only line the pockets of the whining, trade busting, "whopping 20 up" market fakers.
I do see where you are going with this, especially the market fakers part [Want to get around the rule? Become a market maker, quote some minimum, and voila, game the system]. I have to agree again. I just haven't thought it through all the way.

nitro
 
Quote from nitro:

I do see where you are going with this, especially the market fakers part [Want to get around the rule? Become a market maker, quote some minimum, and voila, game the system]. I have to agree again. I just haven't thought it through all the way.

nitro

I WAS a CBOE BD until a few months ago when the custy PM systems became functional for my activities. I have no intention of returning to the regulatory hell from which I have emerged.
 
Quote from nitro:

I do see where you are going with this, especially the market fakers part [Want to get around the rule? Become a market maker, quote some minimum, and voila, game the system]. I have to agree again. I just haven't thought it through all the way.

nitro

Besides, if the exemption is just for entities REGISTERED as market-fakers, then anything outside your appointments going in your JBO "custy" account will NOT qualify for the exemption.
 
Quote from nitro:

To be frank, not allowing any one institution to take on more than 10:1 leverage would probably solve every problem we are in, and there would be no need for the domino effect of unprecedented rules against market participants that insane leverage has caused.

That makes way too much sense to be ever implemented.
 
Quote from sprstpd:

That makes way too much sense to be ever implemented.

There would be an uproar about usurping the Ct. crowd from earning a decent 12 figure income.
 
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