You are so full of partisan BS you can't even see straight.
All the repubs have to do is stop hiring illegals.
All the repubs have to do is stop hiring illegals.
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How dare you deny work for illegals. They must keep hiring them because Illegals have a right to work here. They have a right to be here. They have a right to have their fair share of state services and health care paid for by American citizens. They have a right to use our public schools to improve their Spanish. And to make them learn English is like denying them equal protection under the law. And to deny them work is to deny them their rights because everyone has a ârightâ to a job. But if businesses lay them off, never fear, Democrats are here! The Democrat whores will surely lure them in with their sexy promises of entitlements anyway!Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
You are so full of partisan BS you can't even see straight.
All the repubs have to do is stop hiring illegals.
Republicans, how typical to abdicate full responsibility for the messes they create....
Quote from Sam123:
How dare you deny work for illegals. They must keep hiring them because Illegals have a right to work here. They have a right to be here. They have a right to have their fair share of state services and health care paid for by American citizens. They have a right to use our public schools to improve their Spanish. And to make them learn English is like denying them equal protection under the law. And to deny them work is to deny them their rights because everyone has a ârightâ to a job. But if businesses lay them off, never fear, Democrats are here! The Democrat whores will surely lure them in with their sexy promises of entitlements anyway!
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Republicans, how typical to abdicate full responsibility for the messes they create....
How totally full of crap you are. You claim to live in So Cal. You know the dems entire strategy for control of the state is to give social services away to illegals and hope to make them democratic Californias.
When illegals were in the hospitals under Davis in San Diego, social workers would come in, speak to them in Spanish and assist them in accessing all the social services they could get and then the dems even offered them drivers licenenses.
It was so bad that when I moved to florida, florida attempted to not recognize my license as a valid form of identification.
To blame the illegals situation on republicans in b.s.
Quote from Sam123:
How dare you deny work for illegals. They must keep hiring them because Illegals have a right to work here. They have a right to be here. They have a right to have their fair share of state services and health care paid for by American citizens. They have a right to use our public schools to improve their Spanish. And to make them learn English is like denying them equal protection under the law. And to deny them work is to deny them their rights because everyone has a ârightâ to a job. But if businesses lay them off, never fear, Democrats are here! The Democrat whores will surely lure them in with their sexy promises of entitlements anyway!
Sam123, What Democrat senator did you get this "talking point" from?? I've already heard it repeated several times last week, by Diane Feinstein, some lesser Democrat congressmen, and a whole slew of people on CNN.
If nobody hires the illegals, they go home.
Republicans hire most of the illegals.
Get a clue.....
Republicans hire most of the illegals.
Get a clue.....
Quote from jem:
How totally full of crap you are. You claim to live in So Cal. You know the dems entire strategy for control of the state is to give social services away to illegals and hope to make them democratic Californias.
When illegals were in the hospitals under Davis in San Diego, social workers would come in, speak to them in Spanish and assist them in accessing all the social services they could get and then the dems even offered them drivers licenenses.
It was so bad that when I moved to florida, florida attempted to not recognize my license as a valid form of identification.
To blame the illegals situation on republicans in b.s.
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Kj is that a strict construction of the constitution you just argued.
What about doing justice for the litigants.
Why shoud the judge even be constrained by such a narrow reading of the constitution when a judge could do justice for the majority.
Perhaps the court should be pragmatic.
just having a little fun here.
A pragmatic judge would realize there is a difference between a "non resident" of a particular state (but legally in the u.s. or the resident of another state). Consequently a pragmatic judge would not be artifically constrained by your "forced" reading of the privileges and immunities clause.
I agree. A pragmatic judge would find that the definition of a State "citizen" was never intended to include non-citizens of the U.S.
Evidently, there aren't many pragmatic jurists, huh?
So the dems don't want illegals to be dying in the streets and want them to have access to social services because they are already here, republicans on the other side want illegals to keep coming and want to keep the border open in the first place. You know what that means, the dems are just being humane while republicans are being treasonous.Quote from jem:
When illegals were in the hospitals under Davis in San Diego, social workers would come in, speak to them in Spanish and assist them in accessing all the social services they could get and then the dems even offered them drivers licenenses.
Besides there are two categories in this situation which are actually breaking the law - the illegals themselves and their predominantly pro-republican employers. The dems are not breaking the laws.
Republicans have been controlling all branches of the government for the last 5+ years while the situation has been deteriorating daily. I do blame republicans.
First of all it is baseless speculation to say that republicans are the ones hiring the illegals. But is not baseless speculation that the democratic legilature was making California very inviting for mexicans. So while we do know the dems were giving away the state on purpose.
We should address the baseless speculation by zzz as to who was doing the hiring.
Are restaurant owners all republicans, are homeowners all republicans are farmers and construction company owners all republicans. zzzs argument is doo doo. ddooo.
By the way I have nothing against being humane. And in fact I think mexicans are good for the economy, I just do not think we can afford to give away all the social services that we have been doing. And so I blame democrats they are the ones who put the policies in place that are bankrupting CA.
Let Mexico the fifth richest country inthe world in terms of revenues take some responsibility.
We should address the baseless speculation by zzz as to who was doing the hiring.
Are restaurant owners all republicans, are homeowners all republicans are farmers and construction company owners all republicans. zzzs argument is doo doo. ddooo.
By the way I have nothing against being humane. And in fact I think mexicans are good for the economy, I just do not think we can afford to give away all the social services that we have been doing. And so I blame democrats they are the ones who put the policies in place that are bankrupting CA.
Let Mexico the fifth richest country inthe world in terms of revenues take some responsibility.
Quote from Sam123:
I think I found the object of my ire, because only an epidemic of liberal attorneys and judges pervert Law and precedent so that any Constitutional amendment and clause can mean just about anything. So, of course they got away with equating Congressâ Bill of Rights extension to the States to any individual residing in a state having the "right" for state ENTITLEMENTS. Lol. What bullshit; just as much as âStates cannot discriminate against persons on the basis of their non-resident status.â We are talking about access to state service and monetary entitlements, not Congressâ Bill of Rights. What does the right for state entitlements have anything to do with the privilege or immunity clause in the 14th Amendment?
No wonder Latino ethnocentrics and Mexican nationalists are trying hard to ride the coat tails of the Civil Rights movements: They take advantage of a liberal lopsided legal system to pervert legal precedent created from original post Civil War civil rights laws designed to protect African American citizens from the wrath of States, and expand it to illegal alien squatters jacking themselves in for State entitlements. Sheesh. They make themselves out like victims of racism, like blacks in the Jim Crow South --because such rhetoric is persuasive to a glut of liberal attorneys and judges.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws "
The first part is irrelevant because they are not citizens of the U.S. It's the second part that has been corrupted by liberal legal scholars. How can it mean that individuals residing in a State have the right for state monetary welfare and other state services paid for by state legal citizens? How can people make such a ridiculous legal leap? Because there are too many liberal attorneys and judges in the system, who have already screwed up other interpretations, like the meaning of "property," and "equal protection of the laws."
And since the Law is already corrupted with ridiculous precedent, we may as well have the Feds define what a âcitizenâ is in the states, as you suggest.
Nah, you don't know what you're talking about. The only reason why Mexicans immigrate to the U.S. en masse, is simply because they are treated like serfs in their own nation and the U.S. Government has permitted this state of affairs since before the U.S. Civil War.
The descendants of Aztec and Mayan civilization are considered sub human by the Mexicans who are descendant of the Spanish and French, and that class distinction is the regular and common feature of Mexican society and economics.
If you watch Mexican TV (Telemundo, Univision) you will see what appear to be mostly white european entertainers playing all the roles. You will never see a wealthy Mexican trying to immigrate to the U.S. -- only the mestizo, the brown skinned indigenous native Mexicans migrate, because they are systematically prevented from becoming a part of their own society.
Interestingly, the history of Aztec culture plays directly into the hands of this pathetic situation. The Aztec rulers routinely staged mass executions of their "citizens" in order to control the population and appease the Gods (20,000 people or more would be slaughtered at one time). So, in fact the guy who's mowing your lawn has a cultural history of, and is quite used to, being brutally mistreated for 10,000+ years -- far longer than any descendants of African slavery.
There would be no Mexican immigration problem if we insisted that the Mexican Government enforce the laws and rights of citizens found in their own Constitution.
But, Mexico doesn't enforce it's laws. Why do you think that "Spring Break" is so popular with American kids. They can go down to Mexico and drink and carouse and the Mexican police will do nothing.
The only time that the Mexican authorities get involved in law enforcement is (1) when someone is seriously injured; (2) where there are riot-like conditions; (3) where a wealthy member of the Mexican Aristocracy requests help.
You can tell the jewelry stores that sell "real" Rolex watches from the fake shops, because there will be a Mexican policeman with a shotgun wearing a bullet-proof vest who stands outside the store with the real goods. Not a private security guard -- a government worker.
Same goes for the wealthy Mexican homes.
Try to get that in the USA. Payola and graft is how Mexico works -- not via law. Law is for the rich. The poor work for tips.
So, your attempting to lay the immigration problem at the hands of liberals is simply wrong. The problem is the result of the entire US Governmental establishment, aiding and abetting the Mexican Government to allow two completely different sets of laws to operate in Mexico. If the same situation were to exist in the USA, we would describe it as "separate but equal." (Brown v. Board of Education).
Maybe you like "separate but equal" and you'd like to see it reestablished in the USA. If you're wondering what it would look like, the example is just South of the Border -- in Mexico.