These numbers show Suze Orman is right about needing $5 million to retire

While I don't buy into the whole FIRE, it's pretty clear that Suze is posturing and arguing for the sake of the argument. It's a publicity stunt, nothing more.

For starters, most people will never get to that number, even people that are making pretty reasonable income. For the back of the envelope calculations, let's assume that one starts working at the age of 25 and works for 35 years. At a mean return of 9% (average equity return, plus or minus), he'd have to set aside 25k a year to get to 5 million. At a more realistic 5% per year, he'd have to set aside 55k to get to that number. PNW of 5 million (not even LNW) is somewhere around the top 1 to 0.5 percentile. Yet over 50% of Americans retire between the age of 60 and 65, before the age when various safety nets kick in (not that you get much of that in the US).

Second of all, retirement is not a terminal state and not even a binary state. You can retire and do various projects on the side that go beyond investing your money. If your skillset is liquid enough, you probably are doing something with it, so you might be working part time or teaching or whatever. Lastly, you can also retire and, should there be a need, return to work.

Truth is, there are bigger questions about retiring at 30. What the fuck would you do with the rest of your life?


It's less about being good and more about not being stupid. If you avoid the usual idiot-traps like buying 5 houses on insane leverage or investing all LNW into marijuana stocks, in general you'll be OK.
Paraphrased below starts at about :39 if anyone wants to watch.

Photag: What do you do with all your time?

Seinfeld: I have the same amount of time that you do.

Photag: But, I am working.

Seinfeld: So am I.

Photag: You don't need to work though.

Seinfeld: Yes I do.

Photag: Yeah?

Seinfeld: What is your ideal life? Doing nothin?

 
Going to be very difficult to "save enough" for retirement.

Even after you retire, you will still need success on your retirement capital... a good rate of return with high degree of safety.

The very best thing you could do would be to learn to be a good investor/trader. You may find yourself having to "trade for a living" after you retire.
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Common sense can help also. No doubt Suzie Orman has helped many save money/invest; but its not really recommended for a man to call every girl you talk to/meet ''girfriend''Even though it seems to work for Suzie LOL But '' never invest emergency savings in the stock market''; could help.:cool::cool:
 
And one of my friends just lost his <10 year old child. Enjoy the moment, but plan for the future too. Don't sacrifice today for tomorrow and don't sacrifice tomorrow for today.

True. Just buried my 34 year old daughter last month. Such a good daughter. Never gave us any real troubles to speak of growing up. She and her husband have 3 children. She loved her family. We did all we knew to do for her, that we were able to do. Even took her to Houston to Md Anderson. No one could help her. She and her husband worked hard in their business to become debt free so they could do other things besides just work. They were getting closer to the goal. Now she is gone.

A terrible aggressive cancer in her appendix, colon, and liver that also metastasized to her bones.

Live is short and uncertain. ENJOY it without worrying so much about money and remember to HELP others along the way. I miss my daughter EVERY day. Money, possessions, materialism all fade away quickly when faced with death.

LIFE is to be lived, enjoyed, and shared. It is soon over and we fly away.
 
Condolences for the loss of your daughter volpri. You carry her spirit within you.

I was diagnosed with a brain tumor at the age of 36, tried to run a hedge fund, and was so desperate I ended up in prison.

Now, I sip that morning cup of coffee and thank God for this life every single day.

Best wishes to you and your family.

Regards,

PTR
 
True. Just buried my 34 year old daughter last month. Such a good daughter. Never gave us any real troubles to speak of growing up. She and her husband have 3 children. She loved her family. We did all we knew to do for her, that we were able to do. Even took her to Houston to Md Anderson. No one could help her. She and her husband worked hard in their business to become debt free so they could do other things besides just work. They were getting closer to the goal. Now she is gone.

A terrible aggressive cancer in her appendix, colon, and liver that also metastasized to her bones.

My sincere condolences on your loss. Cancer is such an ugly enemy.

Remember the spirit is eternal.

You daughter still exists. Ask your angels for a sign she is happy and well on the other side and you shall receive it.

Once again I sorry for your pain.
 
REALLY missing my daughter today. When she was alive I called her “honey”....She planted a rose in my yard not a tree as in the song. It is still there. She wrecked my 350 Ford crew cab (rolled it trying to miss a mail box) while my wife and I were on a cruise celebrating our anniversary. She was afraid I would be mad ...as in the song. I told her we can always get another truck but can’t replace a daughter. She would cry in the middle of day or while watching tv as in the song. She died in the hospital without me being there as I was on the way to the hospital on that sunny sunday morning in september of this year.

Honey..I miss you ...and wish I could be with you ...if I could....now all I have is memories..I wake up nights....

Love always,
Daddy
Aka Volpri

PS I will never forget you.

 
REALLY missing my daughter today. When she was alive I called her “honey”....She planted a rose in my yard not a tree as in the song. It is still there. She wrecked my 350 Ford crew cab (rolled it trying to miss a mail box) while my wife and I were on a cruise celebrating our anniversary. She was afraid I would be mad ...as in the song. I told her we can always get another truck but can’t replace a daughter. She would cry in the middle of day or while watching tv as in the song. She died in the hospital without me being there as I was on the way to the hospital on that sunny sunday morning in september of this year.

Honey..I miss you ...and wish I could be with you ...if I could....now all I have is memories..I wake up nights....

Love always,
Daddy
Aka Volpri


PS I will never forget you.


I just read this.
Logged back in just to say (once again) I'm so sorry for your loss.
If it means anything.... it just slammed me with some reality here.
I hope it does to everyone.
I cannot imagine your pain.
She will always be with you....
And thanks for that gift this Xmas... from her to all of us.
Look around people.
Give thanks.
 
I just read this.
Logged back in just to say (once again) I'm so sorry for your loss.
If it means anything.... it just slammed me with some reality here.
I hope it does to everyone.
I cannot imagine your pain.
She will always be with you....
And thanks for that gift this Xmas... from her to all of us.
Look around people.
Give thanks.
Thanks for your words. Yes, life is precious. And short. We all should learn how to appreciate it and be thankful even though it does have it’s hard times. Once we are gone..we are gone.
 
Condolences for the loss of your daughter volpri. You carry her spirit within you.

I was diagnosed with a brain tumor at the age of 36, tried to run a hedge fund, and was so desperate I ended up in prison.

Now, I sip that morning cup of coffee and thank God for this life every single day.

Best wishes to you and your family.

Regards,

PTR
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