These numbers show Suze Orman is right about needing $5 million to retire

So sorry for your loss. The previous owners of our house just buried their 9 year old daughter due to an aggressive form of brain cancer that has a zero percent survival rate. Life can be brutal. Hope you find some relief.
Thanks. When things look bad we just need to look around. There is always someone who is facing a deeper suffering. At least we had our daughter to love and share our lives with for 34 years. Nine years old is hard to deal with. I thank God for the time we did have with our daughter. We will never forget her.
 
volpri,

I do not know you or your daughter. I only know what you post as an anonymous poster. Without any disrespect I would like to offer my condolences for what its worth. You are a fellow trader and I have enjoyed some of your posts here in ET.

I know you do well in a choppy environment...Hang in there and keep on keepin' on...

Good Trading to You.

ES
Thanks for your kindness, encouragement, and words.
 
A hospice nurse for 25 years plus put out a book or a study saying the number one regret of her patients was working too hard, another one was holding a grudge or not saying I’m sorry or not working harder to repair damaged relationships.

My grandmother was poor yet one of the happiest people I ever met. She derived that from serving others giving more than she ever took.
Forgiving, repairing damaged relationships, sharing and giving.....these are the things that matter in life. Doing the things you wanted to do come in a close second.
 
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...-about-needing-5-million-to-retire-2018-10-15

There's been a lot of debate between the FIRE(Financial Independence Retire Early) movement and Suze Orman about what amount is right. The FIRE movement has its pros in that retiring you get to enjoy life, not work for the man, potentially better health, and gain meaning in life. Suze Orman is right in that retiring early you will have not saved enough for emergency in your old age, inflation, unexpected things.

I can see both points. But for me the FIRE movement with just $1M to retire is way too risky! Anything can happen as you get older. A lot of these FIRE people are millenials are people in their late 20s to 30s.

Now that I'm back in Corporate America and starting to think long-term. I still feel woefully unprepared for retirement. I'm saving for retirement through 401K now. But it's no where it needs to be. I'm hoping trading on the side will kick in more money too.

How do ET traders do long-term financial planning?

Making great trades is good and all. But gotta think the big picture. I guess I don't feel secure even with decent paying corporate job. While my pay is decent, it's not as great as Silicon Valley peeps. But they have higher living expenses.

I am strategizing on how my swing trades can kick in more money now that I don't have to trade everyday.

Just curious what are some good approaches you guys have used or thought. I know there's trader status which can be a huge tax savings.
Using my parents as an example, they are mid to late seventies and the house is paid for as well as the cars. My mom still sells real estate part time just to keep busy but they definitely don't need the money as they are able to pay most of their fixed monthly costs with just one social security check. In addition, they have respectable stock assets. The point is they have very low monthly costs. How much you need to retire really depends on how much you need to live on. Personally, I don't even look forward to retiring as it is a mental trap. I focus my energy on doing work I enjoy now and look for ways to maximize value offered and reward obtained.
 
Adding to what volpri said, why work so hard to amass so much money so that at 65 or 70 you have the means but now you are too old to really enjoy fully the fruits of your labor.

Find long term wealth in investments and businesses that create wealth now and long term, not assuming you gonna trade your way to riches with your amazing system or looking for the holy grail. I am enjoying the wealth i am creating now while still generating money for the long term. Why wait until 65 to Start living...

Even the most blue collar worker can find a way to create wealth to be enjoyed now AND in retirement. Stop thinking trading will get you there. I trade with wealth money already created for additional fun funds not trade to create wealth because if you think you are, the only one you are making wealthy is your broker.
 
volpri, I'm very sorry about your daughter.

Orman is focused on people who invest for the long term. So, I imagine that for a 40-yr-old, she'd be advising paying off the house (usually bad advice, IMHO, for anyone who is halfway decent at managing money) and using something like a 60/40 fund (which may do poorly as bonds lose in the coming years). So, maybe such people do need more money to retire.
 
Volpri, so sorry to hear of your loss. Your daughter left a legacy in her children that I'm sure you will cherish for as long as you live and I hope that gives you and your wife some comfort.

I have a friend that retired last year and earlier this year was diagnosed with ALS. You just never know what life will deal you, so enjoy the here and now.
 
I think there are creative ways to generate about 8% yield through a portfolio of corporate bonds, muni bonds and the recently available crowdsourced PE investments. Spread out $1M across a diversified mix of such investments and one could survive off the income.
 
Spread out $1M across a diversified mix of such investments and one could survive off the income.
R1234,

I will keep it even simpler for you. Take the $1M put in the highest guaranteed annuity you can find and go sit down somewhere. When I retire, I don't want no parts of the stock market any more. Maybe trade because that's me believing in my skills set, not the stock market monkey and pony and clown show. Who wants to be in there 60s worry about investments portfolios? Not me!
 
Going to be very difficult to "save enough" for retirement.

Even after you retire, you will still need success on your retirement capital... a good rate of return with high degree of safety.

The very best thing you could do would be to learn to be a good investor/trader. You may find yourself having to "trade for a living" after you retire.
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Low tax, no income tax sates may help. NOT a prediction; every little bit/ large bit helps.:cool:
 
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