There is no "system"

[MarketAddict]

Are coincidental profits worth less than intentional profits?

LOL... Funny

 

[CoolHandLuke]

The current ES intra day scalping trading method I am trading, I backtested it ten years on tick data, every contract month, then forwarded tested it three years over every contract, every tick and either my staff or myself have been trading it past several months, between sample size of 67,600 plus trades and 4,200 plus real time trades, I know inside and out what my drawdown has been for this time period, mean ave of losing trades in a row, mean ave of winning trades in a row, broken down when mental protective stops should be expanded or reduced, and dozens more of stats on averaging down. I know I can expect based on weekly percentage of 5% losing trades based on original entry, over 50% breakeven trades and as low is 38% winning trades of 2-8 ticks, again all based on past and several months of real time has proven to me that backtesting has not lied.

And for fun, I always back test systems on tick data from 1987 of S&P500 futures contract. Had overall same results. Price is random and that because all based on human emotion, do people think something has more/less value. Plain and simple. I have some data going back to 1920s on commodities, some spotty as war years(world war 2) was tough to find data as I believe not all days were open, but you take some systems like the "Mystery system" produced by Peter Aan or Donchian’s Four-Week Rule Trading System, simple but elegant, huge drawdowns but overall makes more than losses in ten years of trading.


Crops get planted here in the States approx. same time each year and harvested, unless there was weather concerns in November, prices decline more often than not and peak out in June/July. But still comes down what "value" people put on the instrument traded.

Traders do piss poor trading cause they simple don't understand much about "WHY" prices happen, and until they do, they most likely will keep moving their money into those that do.

Too much time spend on the getting in and not nearly enough on the getting out, or reasons of not getting in when a signal appears.

Those who believe there are no "Holy Grail" methods? LOL Would you expect those who have them would tell anyone? A skilled trader learns to adapt or has seen so much in price bars, they have rules for every single strange occurrence that many say there are, you play the game long enough, there are no strange occurrences. I been playing the game for 36 years, you think I haven't see anything just once?



This statement shows me what you don't know. I lease seats so I can trade and not pay retail, I make decent coin just making one tick. Whatever I can make dealing with the public would be chump change, why make pennies when I make ten dollars? I make 100% less fees than make 20%? LOL, good one. Dealing with the public is a royal pain in the arse. Trading is stressful enough and whatever you could pay me would never be enough, it is putting in so much time, you take vacation time off and you don't go anywhere but study the markets, you in your office almost every waking hour when you don't have to be somewhere else. People invite you over for parties and you constantly drawing bars charts on drink napkins, people talk to you and your mind is somewhere else, your wife or girlfriend is chatting some drab story and you think how you could have avoided some trade, your whole life is in the game.

Before getting into trading, I use to fly to Vegas two days a week and played one deck Blackjack, you bet'cha it was easy to make money every weekend, but you had to have a speciality, I played between 3-6am, no longer than 20 minutes at any casino and acted drunk, played one on one with dealer, 4 aces, 16 10s, when deck is high card rich you play heavy, when dealer show card is 6 or lower, you split or double down when you can. Didn't want any casino to see you win consistently, didn't want to play when 9-5 people awake, use your toes to keep track and always short sleeve shirts. Got real boring, it not like you could put on 100 contracts and have no one else see you winning more often than losing when casinos want you to lose. I would actually make a scene once in awhile that I lost big to pit boss and ask to be comped something, he thought I lost and I got something for free, but the dealer never saw I was putting chips in my pocket.

You got to put in the 10,000 hours plus, and best by doing it yourself if you going to compete against the best.

You got to get off your arse and learn to program, the better you can code, the more you can test. This is game better to be self sufficient.

I always try to read between the lines,you have an eye for nuance.

loved your blackjack story. found a niche & exploited it.

very enjoyable reading, thanks!@

 

[Brahmastra]

You started a thread. you made statements.

you ask how noise is studied?

So what went wrong in your brain?

look back in your education when you learned Sanskrit. You learned of the life-enhansing ingredients. As a group they embody sattva.

this holistic combination is all inclusive.

recall those days of study. part of that study showed you that in the holistic limit, noise no longer exists.


As a consiquence, the superior mind does not deal with non exisi,tant noise. Instead, it incorporates what you see as part of a complete system. One contributor mentioned that the market is systemic. He is correct and he did not find that out through deduction.

I have spent over57 years trading systemically. The niave regard my performance levels as "unbelieveable" . They too have forgotten their Sanskrit training.

Your post about is a collection of myths you have not studied either. You follow fundamental traditions of the Conventional Wisdom of the markets. you are a contributor to the market's stability as an unknowledgeable participant.

you're OP was a trite rehash of the know-nothing world point of view.

Take out your clay tablet and your inscribing tool. Draw a period of data in the independent variable. Notice it arises from an axis. Notice that over a fixed referential period it achieves a specific value. Asterisk the value and scribe a footnote describing the system of numeration involved.

to correct the poor definition you made with your first try, go to a grammer school dictionary and look up granularity.

Try to post that definition here.

Once you understand one small thing you can look at the entire dynamics of markets.

One dynamic and only one dynamic is used to succeed in markets. It is the use of a RDBMS on the independent variable of the market.

I know this is a total deluge of foreign information for you.

Probably I should be giving you pages numbers of the books in your library to remind you of all you past work that allows you to fuck up the space totally with your total bullshit point of view.

You should overcome Sattva.Sattva is still material.Suddha-Satva.Sattvam visuddham vasudeva-sabditam.

 

[burn8]

Spoken like a real loser.

 

[freedomshark]

OP,

Learn how to read a chart from right to left than you'll realize how silly this topic is. The right information could turn any trader profitable instantly. Oh, and yes I learned it all from charts...

FS

Edit: Can't prove anything is true in science. Think about all the disproved theories countless scientists spent their lives working on

Study what? Even a relatively young science like quantum physics has objective information and peer review. I'm sorry but staring at charts all day and night is unproductive. I am not against studying and learning-- far from it. Studying established information with precedent is a typical way to learn something.

 

[Turveyd]

I agree and disagree with the first post haven't read any of the others.

Systems generally only cover entries, but they can help get you started on a trade, it's about managing the trade one open and accepting all openings are pretty much a best guess, you have to accept the risk then it's what you do that is important

 

[Handle123]

Then market your system. Invariable consistent income sounds like an easy business model.

You been trading how long? It takes years of very long hours to study all the possible fluke price patterns then spend years continually redefining what is important to your personality so you can achieve what you can accept. I have cetainly given ET many parts of my long term method in posts, but areas that are near and dear could work against my positions of getting best prices. So you saying I should sell my extensive back tested method for a few lousy thousand bucks? I wouldn't even sell it for ten million, it is my break and butter, just like other methods for day trading I have developed, and many other good traders have designed methods they make a living and wouldn't seel theirs either.

Trading methods are alive just like the designer is alive, they change as he educates himself. finds nuances they have just discovered and as they change in age, often times less becomes more. When you young and account not large, you can take wild chances of trading over 50% of your account on margin, but as I get older, using 10% of my account is large enough. Years of making huge percentages are over, risk of ruin to high, I rather miss opportunities when patterns don't line up perfectly.

There is randomness in markets, called chop, but once there is less volume available on bid or ask side, market moves in that direction.

 

[loyek590]

My system ALWAYS makes money. But I never know how long it will take.

If I make 1% in a day, well, that makes me look pretty good, doesn't it?
If it takes 2 months to make 1%, well, that's really nothing to write home about is it?
If I am in the depths of drawdown on Dec 31, I may even have a negative return for the year.

But eventually it makes money.

The system is pretty simple

1. Get a good fill
2. Cut your losses short
3. Add to losers when appropriate
4. Add to winners when appropriate
5. Let your profits ride
6. When you have made money get flat

 

[Turveyd]

My system ALWAYS makes money. But I never know how long it will take.

If I make 1% in a day, well, that makes me look pretty good, doesn't it?
If it takes 2 months to make 1%, well, that's really nothing to write home about is it?
If I am in the depths of drawdown on Dec 31, I may even have a negative return for the year.

But eventually it makes money.

The system is pretty simple

1. Get a good fill
2. Cut your losses short
3. Add to losers when appropriate
4. Add to winners when appropriate
5. Let your profits ride
6. When you have made money get flat

If you ALWAYS win then your not doing no.2, infact your likely martingaling on some level, you just need a big enough move to get you to a margin call and there blows the ALWAYS!!

Can't make a living off that kinda uncertainy so no use for me.


In 2 months, I've had 1 slight down day, 3 pips and 1 BE day and loads of no trade day

 

[Turveyd]

You been trading how long? It takes years of very long hours to study all the possible fluke price patterns then spend years continually redefining what is important to your personality so you can achieve what you can accept. I have cetainly given ET many parts of my long term method in posts, but areas that are near and dear could work against my positions of getting best prices. So you saying I should sell my extensive back tested method for a few lousy thousand bucks? I wouldn't even sell it for ten million, it is my break and butter, just like other methods for day trading I have developed, and many other good traders have designed methods they make a living and wouldn't seel theirs either.

Trading methods are alive just like the designer is alive, they change as he educates himself. finds nuances they have just discovered and as they change in age, often times less becomes more. When you young and account not large, you can take wild chances of trading over 50% of your account on margin, but as I get older, using 10% of my account is large enough. Years of making huge percentages are over, risk of ruin to high, I rather miss opportunities when patterns don't line up perfectly.

There is randomness in markets, called chop, but once there is less volume available on bid or ask side, market moves in that direction.

Starting my reduction of risk phase myself currently, account / trades hit a certain size, this is the limiting factor that stops up becoming millionaires sadly.

Chop isn't random, far from random I can trade chop damn near perfectly, you just don't understand it yet!