There is no recession. Never was , never will be!

Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

Maestro does not have empirical data to back up his assertions. End of story. Here is what you need to read over and over again. Print and fold this on a small piece of paper and keep in your wallet and look it up when delusional anxiety strikes.


READ THIS TOADY:

"Economy grows by only 0.6 percent in 1st quarter of 2008
Wednesday April 30, 11:52 am ET

By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Economy limps ahead at a 0.6 percent pace in first quarter, better pace than expected "

Markets anticipate; markets do not care about first-quarter data, since it is late April. Likewise, fund managers in general buy stocks based on future earnings projections, not on past earnings.

Yes, a recession has not yet been confirmed, but some would argue that a recession will be confirmed, since current economic trends suggest slowdown.

Their educated guesses may prove right, or they may prove wrong.
 
Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

Here is its after more than 400 posts and endless personal attacks and viciousness. You are still wrong abut this " imaginary recession". There was no recession whatsoever. It is now proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Hallelujah - no reseshun

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HFT, you there?

Lets speak in your terms, in all these post you have yet to prove you are a fund trader, where is the empirical data?
 
Thanks, Grail. I appreciate the response.

Quote from HolyGrail:

Tonnage is up over this time last year. Prices are down over this time last year.

Edit: to show the difference in price. Last year at this time we were selling standard t304 2b stainless for 3.42 per lb and now we are selling it for 2.48 lb.
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

Do you understand the difference between the "Rate of Change" and the absolute value? Rate of Change can be negative while the absolute value could be still positive. Recession (by definition) starts when the Rate of change becomes negative. We have this for quite some time now, don't we?

This is complete fiction. Shame on you! "Negative GDP growth" means that the economy is shrinking, growing at a rate less than zero, NOT repeat NOT growing albeit at a lower "rate of change."

This is not calculus here and we need not take derivatives. Today's GDP numbers are positive (+0.6%) therefore the economy is technically not shrinking; it GREW by 0.6%.

Why make it this difficult?
 
Quote from GTS:

The uptick in first-quarter GDP may raise questions about the likelihood that an official recession will be declared. However, there is a common misconception that two consecutive quarters of outright declines in GDP defines a recession. Indeed, this supposed rule was violated in the 2001 experience. Instead, a recession is defined as a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales. The key for us is that all of the growth in the first quarter was attributable to an inventory swing. Final sales (GDP less inventories) actually declined 0.2% — the first drop since 2002. This means it is likely that the current environment will meet the definition of a recession.
–David Greenlaw, Morgan Stanley

We think that it is likely that GDP will decline in the second quarter. Inventory accumulation will likely turn negative again, while all investment spending categories should keep declining. And government spending growth will likely be softer. The consumer is the wild card. All key drivers of consumer spending are pointing down — employment, real wages, home prices, credit availability — but consumers are now receiving a temporary injection of spending power from the tax rebates. We suspect that these won’t kick in quickly and strongly enough to keep second quarter GDP growth positive.
–Nigel Gault, Global Insight

These patterns should be an eye opener for those counting on a big push in consumer spending from the tax “rebate” checks now in the mail. Aside from the portion of these funds that will be saved or used to pare down household debt, the lion’s share of what is spent will likely go towards gasoline, food, and household utilities, with little left for discretionary spending. To the extent that rising prices for such items is accounted for in the GDP price index, the impact on real GDP growth will fall far short of the expectations of many analysts. In short, the tax rebates will, collectively, get us a tank of gas and a 20-pound bag of rice at Costco (limit one per customer, please), and will do nothing to prompt sustainable growth in real GDP… As to the matter of whether today’s GDP data rule out a recession, well, if you cling to the common but incorrect interpretation of a recession consisting of two consecutive quarters of contracting real GDP, then probably. If instead you adhere to the NBER’s standards for defining a recession, then certainly not.
–Richard F. Moody, Mission Residential

The anemic growth in the first quarter of the year was characterized by a modest rate of spending by households on the back of sharp headline costs, falling home prices and the prospects for year of flat income growth in 2008. Not coincidentally, the last time that households increased consumption at such a minimal rate was 2001, the last time the U.S. fell into recession. Moreover, gross private investment went negative across the board, in addition to another outsized decline in residential investment. Looking ahead to [the second quarter], firms will have to burn off the $1.8 billion in inventories sitting on the shelves. We expect that the coming inventory correction will send growth into negative territory, save a truly heroic effort by the U.S. consumer to spend their way out of the current malaise with their $600.00 rebates. The check is in the mail.
–Joseph Brusuelas, IDEAglobal

"There is no recession. Never was , never will be!"
- HedgefundTrader2

Hmmm...who to believe?

While I am well aware that the NBER and company intentionally do their damned-est to confound the population about the true definition of recession, by the logic you outlined above, two theoretical quarters of 60% and 50% GDP growth that follow a quarter of 70% GDP growth would technically constitute a recession because a decline in the rate, not the absolute growth. In this theoretical example, it would seem absurd to call a recession after two quarters of 60% and 50% growth, but that's what it would be by your experts' definitions.

Now apply the same logic to our current quarter of +0.6% GDP growth, forgetting your preconceived notions that 0.6 is a small number. It nonetheless is positive and indicative of growth.
 
I give up. Think what ever you like. We will come back to this in three months.

P.S.
When you break does your car still move forward to the red light or it starts to go backwards? Breaking (slowdown, recession etc.) does not necessarily mean going backwards. Can you understand that?
 
Quote from HedgefundTrader2:

Lies from GREENSPAN, WARREN BUFFET where are thou? Now you know these people lie to you for a reason?

But I'm sure the bush administration is giving you the straight number hedgie. Facing being labeled the worst administration ever, you really think this guy wants to put the final nail in his coffin with a recession on his resume.

If this GDP# was legit, then why is the fed lowering rates again today? They should have left it unchanged and warned of moving it higher to curb inflation, but alas they knew the gdp # was a lie as well.
 
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