There is but one correct method

Quote from logic_man:

I don't know how you know that if Buffett used stops he wouldn't be richer than he is now, but OK.

How the invocation of Buffett is supposed to make it "clear" to me that "in most cases stops aren't appropriate" is actually quite unclear. But, again, whatever.

Also, the idea of "common sense" is not one I would rely on at all in trading. The whole point of developing trading systems is because humans are biologically-wired to do the wrong thing at the wrong time when using their "common sense".

The reason an "edge" can disappear for a trade is that it wasn't ever there. The phenomenon of "false positives" occurs whenever the model being used to trigger a trade is incomplete. It's not that the edge disappears, it's that what really drives the edge is beyond your complete comprehension. What you do track vs. what you could track when it comes to trade triggers are two different things. There is always the possibility that something you are not tracking actually has an impact on your outcomes. It's like when you are doing regression models and you can't just throw every possible variable into the model, but you also know that some proportion of the outcomes are not accounted for by what you can put in the model. This is what r-squared measures. Your stop (or at least my stop) tells you when your model, which is by definition incomplete, missed something on that specific trade.

But, clearly your timeframe is much longer than mine if you consider what eventually happened after 9-11 as "mean reversion". I don't think holding a trade for months is worth the opportunity cost of tying up my capital.

I am just reacting to the main idea of this thread which said there are laws in trading, which is something you can't say. I have written the rules I think are most appropiate, but for my style of trading. From what I can tell we actually have the same idea, in respect to edges. Not sure. Then it's weird for me that you think stops are always needed.

Also, I don't know what you're looking at. 9-11 clearly mean reverted in a weeks time.
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:



If Buffet ever used stops he wouldn't be as rich as now. ---- and in most cases stops aren't appropiate


Buffet is not a retail trader, he is an investor. Of course you don't use stops as an investor. However in the case of the retail trader, stops are essential. :)
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:

If an edge is an edge it is ever present.

Bingo! The 4 rules in the opening post ARE the edge. The rest is applying that edge to your individual system.:)
 
Quote from RangeTrader:



1. Buy Low, Sell High
2. Sell High, Buy Low
3. Repeat the above two steps.

:D

Yes certainly---if that is your system do that but applying the 4 steps in the opening post to that system is the correct method. :)
 
Quote from RedTankEra:



There are many ways to skin the cat.


Each person's system of entering and exiting will be different, but applying the rules in the opening post to each system is the one correct method of retail trading. :)
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

4. Don't scale in or scale out.
Yeah, because scaling in or out (not to be confused with "averaging") is only for losers who can't predict the future with absolute certainty using their flawless methods, right? And remember, no matter how illiquid the instrument you're trading in relation to your size, it must always be all-in and all-out. Got that?

The beauty of certainty is never having to understand the question.

Haven't you already worn out this topic?

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78975
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

There is but one correct method of trading for the retail trader.



4. Don't scale in or scale out.






:)
get off your soapbox and learn to get along ,agitation is all your trying to accomplish, this is the ,dunno, third time you've started up a thread against averaging..it's like saying your's is the only religion, all other religions are inferior
 
Quote from ammo:

.it's like saying your's is the only religion, all other religions are inferior

No. My tenet is based upon fact, not faith. It is the only correct method.:)
 
your facts are skewed by an obtuse mathematical angle that only works on the hocus pocus that you know exactly where the buy low sell high tops and bottoms are,not going around and around on this again and again, talk to a fool as long as you will ,he's of the same opinion still,you be the one fool ,i'll be the other,if i used your method,assuming i didn;t know where the exact tops and bottoms were, which i don't, i would be broke
 
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