There Aren’t Enough Millionaires: The rich can’t fund our deficits.

Quote from Ricter:

I could agree that it needs to be changed, but to what? My question was an attempt to "control" for government involvement, as you are saying that they are the problem.
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they are the problem. just like they are the problem in nearly everything they try to get involved in. housing, student loans, the post office, the rail system, health care, etc.

the solution is letting the states handle their own system as they are closest to it.
 
The doctor doesn't say eat less and exercise down the road.

He says to do both.

We need to do both, now.

Quote from Tsing Tao:

absolutely agree. just make sure its done in that order, and i have no complaints.
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they are the problem. just like they are the problem in nearly everything they try to get involved in. housing, student loans, the post office, the rail system, health care, etc.

the solution is letting the states handle their own system as they are closest to it.
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So this goes back to my first question. You say it is the problem, so it stands to reason that societies without government involvement in education should be the same societies beating us in education, right?
 
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they are the problem. just like they are the problem in nearly everything they try to get involved in. housing, student loans, the post office, the rail system, health care, etc.

the solution is letting the states handle their own system as they are closest to it.
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As the Constitutional originally provided...

The States were empowered to "take care of their own business"... with certain, LIMTITED, powers granted to the Feds.

Over time the Feds have usurped more and more of states' powers... up to the current point where the Feds and White House act like an all-powerful oligarchy.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

they are the problem. just like they are the problem in nearly everything they try to get involved in. housing, student loans, the post office, the rail system, health care, etc.

the solution is letting the states handle their own system as they are closest to it.
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One of my favorite quotes:
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it.
P.J. O'ROURKE

The one makes promises it can't keep, or afford, and the other makes a living pointing that out while keeping the corporate wheels greased at the expense of the taxpayer.
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

As you amply, capably and repeatedly demonstrate, the political Right has an idiot problem within its fold. The rich are being taxed lower than they have been in a long time. Coincidentally, the income gap between the rich and everyone else has grown substantially during this same period. Are you naturally daft, or do you take special mercury and lead supplements?
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You talking about the rich in your native Canada or the rich here in the sates?

If the Candian rich shouldn't you be writhing your representative?
If the U.S. rich...well I guess there's not much you can do.
 
Gabfly is talking out his ass yet again...

Total taxes (not just Federal Income Tax) paid by moderately high earners in the US can easily be 60%... and in some cases, >80%.

What the Hell do people want? More than that?
 
Quote from Trader666:

Oh please... could you be any more pathetic? The source of the data is the IRS. The Tax Foundation publishing that data doesn't invalidate it. If it's conservative propaganda then why did the liberal rag NY Times publish it?

Similarly, the source of the numbers in these charts is the U.S. Government, and Heritage publishing them doesn't change anything. You lying, libtarded moonbats have argued with me about this before. And even after giving a link to the specific table in the budget that the national debt projections came from, some of you still pretended that Heritage "made it up." :p

Reality check: this is a spending problem:
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So you address the most innocuous part of my post, because I was willing to accept the numbers you presented at face for the purposes of my argument, yet you entirely overlook the sum and substance of my argument? Is that your coy way of saying, "I got nothing?"
Quote from Gabfly1:

...Even assuming that your suspect numbers are accurate, how does that explain the historically low taxes for the rich, which coincides with the historically high income gap between the rich and everyone else? Are you really so stupid as to be utterly oblivious to the implications?

Also, are you even remotely aware that the middle class has given First World countries their stability and prosperity, because the engine of an economy is its middle class? The very same middle class that was being squeezed out of existence during the Bush years, thanks in part to his administration's fiscal and regulatory policy?

We both seem to agree that the goose that lays the golden eggs is being led to slaughter. Our principal disagreement lies in the identity of that goose. Since the rich are feasting and getting fatter, with the Right seeking nothing other than to feed the rich some more, I don't think the rich are in any mortal danger.
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Quote from Tsing Tao:

you have completely gone off the deep end, which is a shame. you used to be quite concise and well-spoken.

bring "them" on. i have several nice assault rifles and im an excellent shot.
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Yep, I've gone off the deep end. Off my rocker completely so you guys are claiming. I wasn't off anything when I had that spotlight zoomed in on the radical left, was I? We had us a good old time exposing their bullshit, didn't we? But then I decided to swing that light around 180 degrees and see what the right was up to. My O My, what an uproar over that. Can't expose the bullshit of the right now can we? And the one's squealing the loudest are those claiming no real party favorites. Independents, Libertarians, or so they say.
Let's review where I went, "Off the deep end". It all started when I pointed out that if we're going to bailout the banks, then we must bailout GM. If the guys that brought us down get a pass, then so must everyone else. If the billionaires get their public aid in the form of tax breaks, then the unemployed get their 99 weeks of unemployment. And on and on.
Do I think the unemployed should get 99 weeks of compensation? Hell no! Do I think Unions should get a free ride? Hell no! Do I think the Obama administration has a clue? Hell no! But bullshit, hypocrisy and double standards are what they are, and when I see them I will expose them, regardless of which party is committing them.
You see, I haven't changed my position at all. I still think this government is corrupt top to bottom. Corporate America serves themselves and themselves only, and is probably the greatest threat to our freedom. Illegal immigration runs a close second behind that. Our bought and paid for government turns a blind eye and deaf ear to both threats allowing corporations and illegals to run our country into the ground.
Give me a Buchanan/Dobbs ticket, and I'd be happy. The rest aren't worth the price of a bullet it would take to get rid of them.
 
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